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[Proposal][UX] Notifications Improvements 9.8+

Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
Hi,

I've created some improvements suggestions for our Notifications UI, see
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/NotificationsImprovements9x

Let me know what you think.

Thanks,
Caty
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vmassol
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Hi Caty,

> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:21, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I've created some improvements suggestions for our Notifications UI, see
> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/NotificationsImprovements9x
>
> Let me know what you think.

Re the overview, I don’t see where you mention the app?

For example, could you show how a new Blog post would be displayed and you differentiate that for example from a Page creation or modification?

Thanks
-Vincent

>
> Thanks,
> Caty

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Re: [Proposal][UX] Notifications Improvements 9.8+

Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
Event Type: BlogPostPublishedEvent
from
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/NotificationsImprovements9x#HEventTypes

Thanks,
Caty

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Caty,
>
> > On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:21, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've created some improvements suggestions for our Notifications UI, see
> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
> NotificationsImprovements9x
> >
> > Let me know what you think.
>
> Re the overview, I don’t see where you mention the app?
>
> For example, could you show how a new Blog post would be displayed and you
> differentiate that for example from a Page creation or modification?
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Caty
>
>
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Re: [Proposal][UX] Notifications Improvements 9.8+

vmassol
Administrator

> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:54, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Event Type: BlogPostPublishedEvent
> from
> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/NotificationsImprovements9x#HEventTypes

ok thanks, had missed this since I was reading from top to bottom and stopped at the overview :)

However I don’t think it scales since it means one unique icon per combination of app type + event type.

What would scale better is two icons: one for the app type and one for the event type.

For example imagine that the Blog app had the following events:
* When a blog post is published
* When a blog post is created
* When a blog post is removed

You wouldn’t be able to use the RSS icon to represent the 3 events.

BTW the RSS icon isn’t necessarily representative of the Blog app. A lot of apps can have a RSS feed.

That’s the main remark I have: it’s going to be harder and harder to find unique icons as we had more events to apps, especially if there’s only 1 icon that is supposed to combine both app type + event type.

WDYT?

Thanks
-Vincent

> Thanks,
> Caty
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Hi Caty,
>>
>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:21, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I've created some improvements suggestions for our Notifications UI, see
>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
>> NotificationsImprovements9x
>>>
>>> Let me know what you think.
>>
>> Re the overview, I don’t see where you mention the app?
>>
>> For example, could you show how a new Blog post would be displayed and you
>> differentiate that for example from a Page creation or modification?
>>
>> Thanks
>> -Vincent
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Caty
>>
>>

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Re: [Proposal][UX] Notifications Improvements 9.8+

vmassol
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Another feedback/questions:

* Is the avatar icon clickable and leading to the user profile?
* We need a way to link directly to the diff, at least for page events so that the user can see what was modified (as we have currently in the AS)

Thanks
-Vincent

> On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:01, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:54, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Event Type: BlogPostPublishedEvent
>> from
>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/NotificationsImprovements9x#HEventTypes
>
> ok thanks, had missed this since I was reading from top to bottom and stopped at the overview :)
>
> However I don’t think it scales since it means one unique icon per combination of app type + event type.
>
> What would scale better is two icons: one for the app type and one for the event type.
>
> For example imagine that the Blog app had the following events:
> * When a blog post is published
> * When a blog post is created
> * When a blog post is removed
>
> You wouldn’t be able to use the RSS icon to represent the 3 events.
>
> BTW the RSS icon isn’t necessarily representative of the Blog app. A lot of apps can have a RSS feed.
>
> That’s the main remark I have: it’s going to be harder and harder to find unique icons as we had more events to apps, especially if there’s only 1 icon that is supposed to combine both app type + event type.
>
> WDYT?
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>> Thanks,
>> Caty
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Caty,
>>>
>>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:21, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I've created some improvements suggestions for our Notifications UI, see
>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
>>> NotificationsImprovements9x
>>>>
>>>> Let me know what you think.
>>>
>>> Re the overview, I don’t see where you mention the app?
>>>
>>> For example, could you show how a new Blog post would be displayed and you
>>> differentiate that for example from a Page creation or modification?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Vincent
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Caty
>>>
>>>
>

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vmassol
Administrator

> On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:05, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Another feedback/questions:
>
> * Is the avatar icon clickable and leading to the user profile?
> * We need a way to link directly to the diff, at least for page events so that the user can see what was modified (as we have currently in the AS)

* Maybe “2 hours ago” is not precise enough. In your example I see I created and modified the Roadmap page but they both say “2 hours ago”. Shouldn’t I be able to see how far away both events were done?

Thanks
-Vincent

>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:01, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:54, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Event Type: BlogPostPublishedEvent
>>> from
>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/NotificationsImprovements9x#HEventTypes
>>
>> ok thanks, had missed this since I was reading from top to bottom and stopped at the overview :)
>>
>> However I don’t think it scales since it means one unique icon per combination of app type + event type.
>>
>> What would scale better is two icons: one for the app type and one for the event type.
>>
>> For example imagine that the Blog app had the following events:
>> * When a blog post is published
>> * When a blog post is created
>> * When a blog post is removed
>>
>> You wouldn’t be able to use the RSS icon to represent the 3 events.
>>
>> BTW the RSS icon isn’t necessarily representative of the Blog app. A lot of apps can have a RSS feed.
>>
>> That’s the main remark I have: it’s going to be harder and harder to find unique icons as we had more events to apps, especially if there’s only 1 icon that is supposed to combine both app type + event type.
>>
>> WDYT?
>>
>> Thanks
>> -Vincent
>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Caty
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Caty,
>>>>
>>>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:21, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[hidden email]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've created some improvements suggestions for our Notifications UI, see
>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
>>>> NotificationsImprovements9x
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me know what you think.
>>>>
>>>> Re the overview, I don’t see where you mention the app?
>>>>
>>>> For example, could you show how a new Blog post would be displayed and you
>>>> differentiate that for example from a Page creation or modification?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> -Vincent
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Caty
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>

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Re: [Proposal][UX] Notifications Improvements 9.8+

vmassol
Administrator

> On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:08, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:05, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Another feedback/questions:
>>
>> * Is the avatar icon clickable and leading to the user profile?
>> * We need a way to link directly to the diff, at least for page events so that the user can see what was modified (as we have currently in the AS)
>
> * Maybe “2 hours ago” is not precise enough. In your example I see I created and modified the Roadmap page but they both say “2 hours ago”. Shouldn’t I be able to see how far away both events were done?

My understanding is that events are grouped by app+type but not by entity anymore (for page events) and thus you can have 3 events displayed for the same page, f.ex: Creation, Modification, Deletion.

Thanks
-Vincent

>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>>
>> Thanks
>> -Vincent
>>
>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:01, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:54, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Event Type: BlogPostPublishedEvent
>>>> from
>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/NotificationsImprovements9x#HEventTypes
>>>
>>> ok thanks, had missed this since I was reading from top to bottom and stopped at the overview :)
>>>
>>> However I don’t think it scales since it means one unique icon per combination of app type + event type.
>>>
>>> What would scale better is two icons: one for the app type and one for the event type.
>>>
>>> For example imagine that the Blog app had the following events:
>>> * When a blog post is published
>>> * When a blog post is created
>>> * When a blog post is removed
>>>
>>> You wouldn’t be able to use the RSS icon to represent the 3 events.
>>>
>>> BTW the RSS icon isn’t necessarily representative of the Blog app. A lot of apps can have a RSS feed.
>>>
>>> That’s the main remark I have: it’s going to be harder and harder to find unique icons as we had more events to apps, especially if there’s only 1 icon that is supposed to combine both app type + event type.
>>>
>>> WDYT?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Vincent
>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Caty
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Caty,
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:21, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[hidden email]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've created some improvements suggestions for our Notifications UI, see
>>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
>>>>> NotificationsImprovements9x
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me know what you think.
>>>>>
>>>>> Re the overview, I don’t see where you mention the app?
>>>>>
>>>>> For example, could you show how a new Blog post would be displayed and you
>>>>> differentiate that for example from a Page creation or modification?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> -Vincent
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Caty
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>

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vmassol
Administrator
In reply to this post by vmassol

> On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:05, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Another feedback/questions:
>
> * Is the avatar icon clickable and leading to the user profile?
> * We need a way to link directly to the diff, at least for page events so that the user can see what was modified (as we have currently in the AS)

Actually it would be awesome to be able to see the diff without navigating away.

Thanks
-Vincent

>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:01, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:54, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Event Type: BlogPostPublishedEvent
>>> from
>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/NotificationsImprovements9x#HEventTypes
>>
>> ok thanks, had missed this since I was reading from top to bottom and stopped at the overview :)
>>
>> However I don’t think it scales since it means one unique icon per combination of app type + event type.
>>
>> What would scale better is two icons: one for the app type and one for the event type.
>>
>> For example imagine that the Blog app had the following events:
>> * When a blog post is published
>> * When a blog post is created
>> * When a blog post is removed
>>
>> You wouldn’t be able to use the RSS icon to represent the 3 events.
>>
>> BTW the RSS icon isn’t necessarily representative of the Blog app. A lot of apps can have a RSS feed.
>>
>> That’s the main remark I have: it’s going to be harder and harder to find unique icons as we had more events to apps, especially if there’s only 1 icon that is supposed to combine both app type + event type.
>>
>> WDYT?
>>
>> Thanks
>> -Vincent
>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Caty
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Caty,
>>>>
>>>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:21, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[hidden email]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've created some improvements suggestions for our Notifications UI, see
>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
>>>> NotificationsImprovements9x
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me know what you think.
>>>>
>>>> Re the overview, I don’t see where you mention the app?
>>>>
>>>> For example, could you show how a new Blog post would be displayed and you
>>>> differentiate that for example from a Page creation or modification?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> -Vincent
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Caty
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>

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Re: [Proposal][UX] Notifications Improvements 9.8+

Guillaume Delhumeau
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2017-10-02 18:09 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol <[hidden email]>:

>
> > On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:08, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:05, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Another feedback/questions:
> >>
> >> * Is the avatar icon clickable and leading to the user profile?
> >> * We need a way to link directly to the diff, at least for page events
> so that the user can see what was modified (as we have currently in the AS)
> >
> > * Maybe “2 hours ago” is not precise enough. In your example I see I
> created and modified the Roadmap page but they both say “2 hours ago”.
> Shouldn’t I be able to see how far away both events were done?
>
> My understanding is that events are grouped by app+type but not by entity
> anymore (for page events) and thus you can have 3 events displayed for the
> same page, f.ex: Creation, Modification, Deletion.
>

And you could also have different users grouped in the same composite
event. So when you display the details, it would be nice to show which user
made each event, and I see you have removed this info.



>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
> >
> > Thanks
> > -Vincent
> >
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> -Vincent
> >>
> >>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:01, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:54, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Event Type: BlogPostPublishedEvent
> >>>> from
> >>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
> NotificationsImprovements9x#HEventTypes
> >>>
> >>> ok thanks, had missed this since I was reading from top to bottom and
> stopped at the overview :)
> >>>
> >>> However I don’t think it scales since it means one unique icon per
> combination of app type + event type.
> >>>
> >>> What would scale better is two icons: one for the app type and one for
> the event type.
> >>>
> >>> For example imagine that the Blog app had the following events:
> >>> * When a blog post is published
> >>> * When a blog post is created
> >>> * When a blog post is removed
> >>>
> >>> You wouldn’t be able to use the RSS icon to represent the 3 events.
> >>>
> >>> BTW the RSS icon isn’t necessarily representative of the Blog app. A
> lot of apps can have a RSS feed.
> >>>
> >>> That’s the main remark I have: it’s going to be harder and harder to
> find unique icons as we had more events to apps, especially if there’s only
> 1 icon that is supposed to combine both app type + event type.
> >>>
> >>> WDYT?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>> -Vincent
> >>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Caty
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi Caty,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:21, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> [hidden email]>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I've created some improvements suggestions for our Notifications
> UI, see
> >>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
> >>>>> NotificationsImprovements9x
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Let me know what you think.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Re the overview, I don’t see where you mention the app?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> For example, could you show how a new Blog post would be displayed
> and you
> >>>>> differentiate that for example from a Page creation or modification?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks
> >>>>> -Vincent
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>> Caty
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
>


--
Guillaume Delhumeau ([hidden email])
Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
Committer on the XWiki.org project
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Guillaume Delhumeau
So your proposal focuses a lot more on the users instead of the apps (like
facebook for example). It's OK for me, but I think the type icon (create,
edit, comment, etc...) is too small compared to the user face.

Actually when I see these screenshot, my first impression is that the user
has been modified :) Would it be nice to have the type icon bigger than the
user face? To me, what happened is more important than who made it, but
maybe it's only my feeling.

Nice work anyway, as usual :)

Guillaume

2017-10-03 9:50 GMT+02:00 Guillaume Delhumeau <[hidden email]
>:

>
>
> 2017-10-02 18:09 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol <[hidden email]>:
>
>>
>> > On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:08, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:05, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Another feedback/questions:
>> >>
>> >> * Is the avatar icon clickable and leading to the user profile?
>> >> * We need a way to link directly to the diff, at least for page events
>> so that the user can see what was modified (as we have currently in the AS)
>> >
>> > * Maybe “2 hours ago” is not precise enough. In your example I see I
>> created and modified the Roadmap page but they both say “2 hours ago”.
>> Shouldn’t I be able to see how far away both events were done?
>>
>> My understanding is that events are grouped by app+type but not by entity
>> anymore (for page events) and thus you can have 3 events displayed for the
>> same page, f.ex: Creation, Modification, Deletion.
>>
>
> And you could also have different users grouped in the same composite
> event. So when you display the details, it would be nice to show which user
> made each event, and I see you have removed this info.
>
>
>
>>
>> Thanks
>> -Vincent
>>
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > -Vincent
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >> -Vincent
>> >>
>> >>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:01, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:54, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Event Type: BlogPostPublishedEvent
>> >>>> from
>> >>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/Notification
>> sImprovements9x#HEventTypes
>> >>>
>> >>> ok thanks, had missed this since I was reading from top to bottom and
>> stopped at the overview :)
>> >>>
>> >>> However I don’t think it scales since it means one unique icon per
>> combination of app type + event type.
>> >>>
>> >>> What would scale better is two icons: one for the app type and one
>> for the event type.
>> >>>
>> >>> For example imagine that the Blog app had the following events:
>> >>> * When a blog post is published
>> >>> * When a blog post is created
>> >>> * When a blog post is removed
>> >>>
>> >>> You wouldn’t be able to use the RSS icon to represent the 3 events.
>> >>>
>> >>> BTW the RSS icon isn’t necessarily representative of the Blog app. A
>> lot of apps can have a RSS feed.
>> >>>
>> >>> That’s the main remark I have: it’s going to be harder and harder to
>> find unique icons as we had more events to apps, especially if there’s only
>> 1 icon that is supposed to combine both app type + event type.
>> >>>
>> >>> WDYT?
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks
>> >>> -Vincent
>> >>>
>> >>>> Thanks,
>> >>>> Caty
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Hi Caty,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:21, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
>> [hidden email]>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Hi,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I've created some improvements suggestions for our Notifications
>> UI, see
>> >>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
>> >>>>> NotificationsImprovements9x
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Let me know what you think.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Re the overview, I don’t see where you mention the app?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> For example, could you show how a new Blog post would be displayed
>> and you
>> >>>>> differentiate that for example from a Page creation or modification?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Thanks
>> >>>>> -Vincent
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Thanks,
>> >>>>>> Caty
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Guillaume Delhumeau ([hidden email])
> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
> Committer on the XWiki.org project
>



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Committer on the XWiki.org project
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vmassol
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> On 3 Oct 2017, at 09:54, Guillaume Delhumeau <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> So your proposal focuses a lot more on the users instead of the apps (like
> facebook for example). It's OK for me, but I think the type icon (create,
> edit, comment, etc...) is too small compared to the user face.
>
> Actually when I see these screenshot, my first impression is that the user
> has been modified :) Would it be nice to have the type icon bigger than the
> user face? To me, what happened is more important than who made it, but
> maybe it's only my feeling.

On this aspect, I think that the social aspect is important to make people contribute so I kind of like that we’re showing avatars. They do seem a bit on the largish side in the screenshot.

In any case, I think we need 2 icons: one for the app type and one for the event type so that should possibly reduce the size of the visible avatar.

Thanks
-Vincent

>
> Nice work anyway, as usual :)
>
> Guillaume
>
> 2017-10-03 9:50 GMT+02:00 Guillaume Delhumeau <[hidden email]
>> :
>
>>
>>
>> 2017-10-02 18:09 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol <[hidden email]>:
>>
>>>
>>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:08, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:05, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Another feedback/questions:
>>>>>
>>>>> * Is the avatar icon clickable and leading to the user profile?
>>>>> * We need a way to link directly to the diff, at least for page events
>>> so that the user can see what was modified (as we have currently in the AS)
>>>>
>>>> * Maybe “2 hours ago” is not precise enough. In your example I see I
>>> created and modified the Roadmap page but they both say “2 hours ago”.
>>> Shouldn’t I be able to see how far away both events were done?
>>>
>>> My understanding is that events are grouped by app+type but not by entity
>>> anymore (for page events) and thus you can have 3 events displayed for the
>>> same page, f.ex: Creation, Modification, Deletion.
>>>
>>
>> And you could also have different users grouped in the same composite
>> event. So when you display the details, it would be nice to show which user
>> made each event, and I see you have removed this info.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Vincent
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> -Vincent
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> -Vincent
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:01, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:54, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
>>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Event Type: BlogPostPublishedEvent
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/Notification
>>> sImprovements9x#HEventTypes
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ok thanks, had missed this since I was reading from top to bottom and
>>> stopped at the overview :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However I don’t think it scales since it means one unique icon per
>>> combination of app type + event type.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What would scale better is two icons: one for the app type and one
>>> for the event type.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For example imagine that the Blog app had the following events:
>>>>>> * When a blog post is published
>>>>>> * When a blog post is created
>>>>>> * When a blog post is removed
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You wouldn’t be able to use the RSS icon to represent the 3 events.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW the RSS icon isn’t necessarily representative of the Blog app. A
>>> lot of apps can have a RSS feed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That’s the main remark I have: it’s going to be harder and harder to
>>> find unique icons as we had more events to apps, especially if there’s only
>>> 1 icon that is supposed to combine both app type + event type.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> -Vincent
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Caty
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Caty,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:21, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
>>> [hidden email]>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've created some improvements suggestions for our Notifications
>>> UI, see
>>>>>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
>>>>>>>> NotificationsImprovements9x
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Let me know what you think.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Re the overview, I don’t see where you mention the app?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For example, could you show how a new Blog post would be displayed
>>> and you
>>>>>>>> differentiate that for example from a Page creation or modification?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>> -Vincent
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Caty
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Guillaume Delhumeau ([hidden email])
>> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
>> Committer on the XWiki.org project
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Guillaume Delhumeau ([hidden email])
> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
> Committer on the XWiki.org project

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Thomas Mortagne
Administrator
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On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Guillaume Delhumeau
<[hidden email]> wrote:
> So your proposal focuses a lot more on the users instead of the apps (like
> facebook for example). It's OK for me, but I think the type icon (create,
> edit, comment, etc...) is too small compared to the user face.
>
> Actually when I see these screenshot, my first impression is that the user
> has been modified :) Would it be nice to have the type icon bigger than the
> user face? To me, what happened is more important than who made it, but
> maybe it's only my feeling.

Pretty much the same comments on my side. I find weird to focus that
much on users, I would have preferred images corresponding on the
change made.

>
> Nice work anyway, as usual :)
>
> Guillaume
>
> 2017-10-03 9:50 GMT+02:00 Guillaume Delhumeau <[hidden email]
>>:
>
>>
>>
>> 2017-10-02 18:09 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol <[hidden email]>:
>>
>>>
>>> > On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:08, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:05, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Another feedback/questions:
>>> >>
>>> >> * Is the avatar icon clickable and leading to the user profile?
>>> >> * We need a way to link directly to the diff, at least for page events
>>> so that the user can see what was modified (as we have currently in the AS)
>>> >
>>> > * Maybe “2 hours ago” is not precise enough. In your example I see I
>>> created and modified the Roadmap page but they both say “2 hours ago”.
>>> Shouldn’t I be able to see how far away both events were done?
>>>
>>> My understanding is that events are grouped by app+type but not by entity
>>> anymore (for page events) and thus you can have 3 events displayed for the
>>> same page, f.ex: Creation, Modification, Deletion.
>>>
>>
>> And you could also have different users grouped in the same composite
>> event. So when you display the details, it would be nice to show which user
>> made each event, and I see you have removed this info.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Vincent
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Thanks
>>> > -Vincent
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks
>>> >> -Vincent
>>> >>
>>> >>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:01, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:54, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
>>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Event Type: BlogPostPublishedEvent
>>> >>>> from
>>> >>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/Notification
>>> sImprovements9x#HEventTypes
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ok thanks, had missed this since I was reading from top to bottom and
>>> stopped at the overview :)
>>> >>>
>>> >>> However I don’t think it scales since it means one unique icon per
>>> combination of app type + event type.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> What would scale better is two icons: one for the app type and one
>>> for the event type.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> For example imagine that the Blog app had the following events:
>>> >>> * When a blog post is published
>>> >>> * When a blog post is created
>>> >>> * When a blog post is removed
>>> >>>
>>> >>> You wouldn’t be able to use the RSS icon to represent the 3 events.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> BTW the RSS icon isn’t necessarily representative of the Blog app. A
>>> lot of apps can have a RSS feed.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> That’s the main remark I have: it’s going to be harder and harder to
>>> find unique icons as we had more events to apps, especially if there’s only
>>> 1 icon that is supposed to combine both app type + event type.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> WDYT?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Thanks
>>> >>> -Vincent
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Thanks,
>>> >>>> Caty
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> Hi Caty,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:21, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
>>> [hidden email]>
>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Hi,
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> I've created some improvements suggestions for our Notifications
>>> UI, see
>>> >>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
>>> >>>>> NotificationsImprovements9x
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Let me know what you think.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Re the overview, I don’t see where you mention the app?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> For example, could you show how a new Blog post would be displayed
>>> and you
>>> >>>>> differentiate that for example from a Page creation or modification?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Thanks
>>> >>>>> -Vincent
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Thanks,
>>> >>>>>> Caty
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Guillaume Delhumeau ([hidden email])
>> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
>> Committer on the XWiki.org project
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Guillaume Delhumeau ([hidden email])
> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
> Committer on the XWiki.org project



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Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
In reply to this post by vmassol
On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 7:01 PM, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> > On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:54, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Event Type: BlogPostPublishedEvent
> > from
> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
> NotificationsImprovements9x#HEventTypes
>
> ok thanks, had missed this since I was reading from top to bottom and
> stopped at the overview :)
>
> However I don’t think it scales since it means one unique icon per
> combination of app type + event type.
>
> What would scale better is two icons: one for the app type and one for the
> event type.
>
> For example imagine that the Blog app had the following events:
> * When a blog post is published
> * When a blog post is created
> * When a blog post is removed
>
> You wouldn’t be able to use the RSS icon to represent the 3 events.
>
> BTW the RSS icon isn’t necessarily representative of the Blog app. A lot
> of apps can have a RSS feed.
>

I've used the RSS icon since that's the icon the Blog Application is using
to represent itself in the AppBar.


>
> That’s the main remark I have: it’s going to be harder and harder to find
> unique icons as we had more events to apps, especially if there’s only 1
> icon that is supposed to combine both app type + event type.
>

Regarding this comment, we can do what Silk icon where doing in the
Activity Stream.
I've iterated here:
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/NotificationsImprovements9x/var2_dif.png
on how it would look like.
I prefer Var 2, but you can see here multiple variations
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/NotificationsImprovements9x/variations.png


>
> WDYT?
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
> > Thanks,
> > Caty
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Caty,
> >>
> >>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:21, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[hidden email]>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I've created some improvements suggestions for our Notifications UI,
> see
> >>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
> >> NotificationsImprovements9x
> >>>
> >>> Let me know what you think.
> >>
> >> Re the overview, I don’t see where you mention the app?
> >>
> >> For example, could you show how a new Blog post would be displayed and
> you
> >> differentiate that for example from a Page creation or modification?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> -Vincent
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Caty
> >>
> >>
>
>
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Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
In reply to this post by vmassol
On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 7:05 PM, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Another feedback/questions:
>
> * Is the avatar icon clickable and leading to the user profile?
>

yes


> * We need a way to link directly to the diff, at least for page events so
> that the user can see what was modified (as we have currently in the AS)
>

yes, we can extend the events with details if we want, just like we do for
comments, diff, etc. in Activity Stream. They worked well in AS. But we
need to decide on some limits, since the 5 entries loading is not very
practical and we might want to provide a zone where user can see more than
5 notifications.


>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
> > On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:01, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:54, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Event Type: BlogPostPublishedEvent
> >> from
> >> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
> NotificationsImprovements9x#HEventTypes
> >
> > ok thanks, had missed this since I was reading from top to bottom and
> stopped at the overview :)
> >
> > However I don’t think it scales since it means one unique icon per
> combination of app type + event type.
> >
> > What would scale better is two icons: one for the app type and one for
> the event type.
> >
> > For example imagine that the Blog app had the following events:
> > * When a blog post is published
> > * When a blog post is created
> > * When a blog post is removed
> >
> > You wouldn’t be able to use the RSS icon to represent the 3 events.
> >
> > BTW the RSS icon isn’t necessarily representative of the Blog app. A lot
> of apps can have a RSS feed.
> >
> > That’s the main remark I have: it’s going to be harder and harder to
> find unique icons as we had more events to apps, especially if there’s only
> 1 icon that is supposed to combine both app type + event type.
> >
> > WDYT?
> >
> > Thanks
> > -Vincent
> >
> >> Thanks,
> >> Caty
> >>
> >> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Caty,
> >>>
> >>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:21, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[hidden email]
> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> I've created some improvements suggestions for our Notifications UI,
> see
> >>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
> >>> NotificationsImprovements9x
> >>>>
> >>>> Let me know what you think.
> >>>
> >>> Re the overview, I don’t see where you mention the app?
> >>>
> >>> For example, could you show how a new Blog post would be displayed and
> you
> >>> differentiate that for example from a Page creation or modification?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>> -Vincent
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Caty
> >>>
> >>>
> >
>
>
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Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
In reply to this post by vmassol
On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 7:08 PM, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> > On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:05, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Another feedback/questions:
> >
> > * Is the avatar icon clickable and leading to the user profile?
> > * We need a way to link directly to the diff, at least for page events
> so that the user can see what was modified (as we have currently in the AS)
>
> * Maybe “2 hours ago” is not precise enough. In your example I see I
> created and modified the Roadmap page but they both say “2 hours ago”.
> Shouldn’t I be able to see how far away both events were done?
>

This depends on the implementation. My point was that we should use
jodatime and present some nicer times, just like we have in AS. The full
time is present in the title.


>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
> >
> > Thanks
> > -Vincent
> >
> >> On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:01, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:54, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Event Type: BlogPostPublishedEvent
> >>> from
> >>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
> NotificationsImprovements9x#HEventTypes
> >>
> >> ok thanks, had missed this since I was reading from top to bottom and
> stopped at the overview :)
> >>
> >> However I don’t think it scales since it means one unique icon per
> combination of app type + event type.
> >>
> >> What would scale better is two icons: one for the app type and one for
> the event type.
> >>
> >> For example imagine that the Blog app had the following events:
> >> * When a blog post is published
> >> * When a blog post is created
> >> * When a blog post is removed
> >>
> >> You wouldn’t be able to use the RSS icon to represent the 3 events.
> >>
> >> BTW the RSS icon isn’t necessarily representative of the Blog app. A
> lot of apps can have a RSS feed.
> >>
> >> That’s the main remark I have: it’s going to be harder and harder to
> find unique icons as we had more events to apps, especially if there’s only
> 1 icon that is supposed to combine both app type + event type.
> >>
> >> WDYT?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> -Vincent
> >>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Caty
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Caty,
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:21, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> [hidden email]>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I've created some improvements suggestions for our Notifications UI,
> see
> >>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
> >>>> NotificationsImprovements9x
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Let me know what you think.
> >>>>
> >>>> Re the overview, I don’t see where you mention the app?
> >>>>
> >>>> For example, could you show how a new Blog post would be displayed
> and you
> >>>> differentiate that for example from a Page creation or modification?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks
> >>>> -Vincent
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>> Caty
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >
>
>
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vmassol
Administrator
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> On 3 Oct 2017, at 17:27, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 7:01 PM, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>>
>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:54, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Event Type: BlogPostPublishedEvent
>>> from
>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
>> NotificationsImprovements9x#HEventTypes
>>
>> ok thanks, had missed this since I was reading from top to bottom and
>> stopped at the overview :)
>>
>> However I don’t think it scales since it means one unique icon per
>> combination of app type + event type.
>>
>> What would scale better is two icons: one for the app type and one for the
>> event type.
>>
>> For example imagine that the Blog app had the following events:
>> * When a blog post is published
>> * When a blog post is created
>> * When a blog post is removed
>>
>> You wouldn’t be able to use the RSS icon to represent the 3 events.
>>
>> BTW the RSS icon isn’t necessarily representative of the Blog app. A lot
>> of apps can have a RSS feed.
>>
>
> I've used the RSS icon since that's the icon the Blog Application is using
> to represent itself in the AppBar.

ok, makes sense.

>
>> That’s the main remark I have: it’s going to be harder and harder to find
>> unique icons as we had more events to apps, especially if there’s only 1
>> icon that is supposed to combine both app type + event type.
>>
>
> Regarding this comment, we can do what Silk icon where doing in the
> Activity Stream.
> I've iterated here:
> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/NotificationsImprovements9x/var2_dif.png
> on how it would look like.
> I prefer Var 2, but you can see here multiple variations
> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/NotificationsImprovements9x/variations.png

Cool, that’s what I meant. I hope it’s not going to be too confusing for users. I don’t know which one I prefer.

Note that we also need an icon to represent the virtual “Pages” app (ie the “system”).

Thanks!
-Vincent

>
>
>>
>> WDYT?
>>
>> Thanks
>> -Vincent
>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Caty
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Caty,
>>>>
>>>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:21, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[hidden email]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've created some improvements suggestions for our Notifications UI,
>> see
>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
>>>> NotificationsImprovements9x
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me know what you think.
>>>>
>>>> Re the overview, I don’t see where you mention the app?
>>>>
>>>> For example, could you show how a new Blog post would be displayed and
>> you
>>>> differentiate that for example from a Page creation or modification?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> -Vincent
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Caty

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Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
In reply to this post by Guillaume Delhumeau
On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 10:50 AM, Guillaume Delhumeau <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> 2017-10-02 18:09 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol <[hidden email]>:
>
> >
> > > On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:08, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:05, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Another feedback/questions:
> > >>
> > >> * Is the avatar icon clickable and leading to the user profile?
> > >> * We need a way to link directly to the diff, at least for page events
> > so that the user can see what was modified (as we have currently in the
> AS)
> > >
> > > * Maybe “2 hours ago” is not precise enough. In your example I see I
> > created and modified the Roadmap page but they both say “2 hours ago”.
> > Shouldn’t I be able to see how far away both events were done?
> >
> > My understanding is that events are grouped by app+type but not by entity
> > anymore (for page events) and thus you can have 3 events displayed for
> the
> > same page, f.ex: Creation, Modification, Deletion.
> >
>
> And you could also have different users grouped in the same composite
> event. So when you display the details, it would be nice to show which user
> made each event, and I see you have removed this info.
>

The focus of this proposal is on user, compared to the old one, when it was
on the app/doc.
Close to what we have on Facebool. So it didn't made sense that we say that
a page has been edited by vmassol, and that the details showcase that
multiple user actually did the edit.


>
>
>
> >
> > Thanks
> > -Vincent
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > -Vincent
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Thanks
> > >> -Vincent
> > >>
> > >>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:01, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:54, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> [hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Event Type: BlogPostPublishedEvent
> > >>>> from
> > >>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
> > NotificationsImprovements9x#HEventTypes
> > >>>
> > >>> ok thanks, had missed this since I was reading from top to bottom and
> > stopped at the overview :)
> > >>>
> > >>> However I don’t think it scales since it means one unique icon per
> > combination of app type + event type.
> > >>>
> > >>> What would scale better is two icons: one for the app type and one
> for
> > the event type.
> > >>>
> > >>> For example imagine that the Blog app had the following events:
> > >>> * When a blog post is published
> > >>> * When a blog post is created
> > >>> * When a blog post is removed
> > >>>
> > >>> You wouldn’t be able to use the RSS icon to represent the 3 events.
> > >>>
> > >>> BTW the RSS icon isn’t necessarily representative of the Blog app. A
> > lot of apps can have a RSS feed.
> > >>>
> > >>> That’s the main remark I have: it’s going to be harder and harder to
> > find unique icons as we had more events to apps, especially if there’s
> only
> > 1 icon that is supposed to combine both app type + event type.
> > >>>
> > >>> WDYT?
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks
> > >>> -Vincent
> > >>>
> > >>>> Thanks,
> > >>>> Caty
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Hi Caty,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:21, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> > [hidden email]>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hi,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I've created some improvements suggestions for our Notifications
> > UI, see
> > >>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
> > >>>>> NotificationsImprovements9x
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Let me know what you think.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Re the overview, I don’t see where you mention the app?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> For example, could you show how a new Blog post would be displayed
> > and you
> > >>>>> differentiate that for example from a Page creation or
> modification?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Thanks
> > >>>>> -Vincent
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Thanks,
> > >>>>>> Caty
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Guillaume Delhumeau ([hidden email])
> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
> Committer on the XWiki.org project
>
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Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
In reply to this post by Thomas Mortagne
On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Thomas Mortagne <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Guillaume Delhumeau
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > So your proposal focuses a lot more on the users instead of the apps
> (like
> > facebook for example). It's OK for me, but I think the type icon (create,
> > edit, comment, etc...) is too small compared to the user face.
> >
> > Actually when I see these screenshot, my first impression is that the
> user
> > has been modified :) Would it be nice to have the type icon bigger than
> the
> > user face? To me, what happened is more important than who made it, but
> > maybe it's only my feeling.
>
> Pretty much the same comments on my side. I find weird to focus that
> much on users, I would have preferred images corresponding on the
> change made.
>

Depends on what we want to focus on and also on what are user's
expectations.
If you look at the majority of notifcations in the wild, the user is the
focus.
People want to know who did what, on what page, when.


>
> >
> > Nice work anyway, as usual :)
> >
> > Guillaume
> >
> > 2017-10-03 9:50 GMT+02:00 Guillaume Delhumeau <
> [hidden email]
> >>:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> 2017-10-02 18:09 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol <[hidden email]>:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> > On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:08, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >> On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:05, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Another feedback/questions:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> * Is the avatar icon clickable and leading to the user profile?
> >>> >> * We need a way to link directly to the diff, at least for page
> events
> >>> so that the user can see what was modified (as we have currently in
> the AS)
> >>> >
> >>> > * Maybe “2 hours ago” is not precise enough. In your example I see I
> >>> created and modified the Roadmap page but they both say “2 hours ago”.
> >>> Shouldn’t I be able to see how far away both events were done?
> >>>
> >>> My understanding is that events are grouped by app+type but not by
> entity
> >>> anymore (for page events) and thus you can have 3 events displayed for
> the
> >>> same page, f.ex: Creation, Modification, Deletion.
> >>>
> >>
> >> And you could also have different users grouped in the same composite
> >> event. So when you display the details, it would be nice to show which
> user
> >> made each event, and I see you have removed this info.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>> -Vincent
> >>>
> >>> >
> >>> > Thanks
> >>> > -Vincent
> >>> >
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Thanks
> >>> >> -Vincent
> >>> >>
> >>> >>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:01, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:54, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> >>> [hidden email]> wrote:
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> Event Type: BlogPostPublishedEvent
> >>> >>>> from
> >>> >>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/Notification
> >>> sImprovements9x#HEventTypes
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> ok thanks, had missed this since I was reading from top to bottom
> and
> >>> stopped at the overview :)
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> However I don’t think it scales since it means one unique icon per
> >>> combination of app type + event type.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> What would scale better is two icons: one for the app type and one
> >>> for the event type.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> For example imagine that the Blog app had the following events:
> >>> >>> * When a blog post is published
> >>> >>> * When a blog post is created
> >>> >>> * When a blog post is removed
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> You wouldn’t be able to use the RSS icon to represent the 3 events.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> BTW the RSS icon isn’t necessarily representative of the Blog app.
> A
> >>> lot of apps can have a RSS feed.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> That’s the main remark I have: it’s going to be harder and harder
> to
> >>> find unique icons as we had more events to apps, especially if there’s
> only
> >>> 1 icon that is supposed to combine both app type + event type.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> WDYT?
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Thanks
> >>> >>> -Vincent
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>> Thanks,
> >>> >>>> Caty
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Vincent Massol <
> [hidden email]>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>> Hi Caty,
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:21, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> >>> [hidden email]>
> >>> >>>>> wrote:
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> I've created some improvements suggestions for our Notifications
> >>> UI, see
> >>> >>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
> >>> >>>>> NotificationsImprovements9x
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> Let me know what you think.
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> Re the overview, I don’t see where you mention the app?
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> For example, could you show how a new Blog post would be
> displayed
> >>> and you
> >>> >>>>> differentiate that for example from a Page creation or
> modification?
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> Thanks
> >>> >>>>> -Vincent
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> Thanks,
> >>> >>>>>> Caty
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Guillaume Delhumeau ([hidden email])
> >> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
> >> Committer on the XWiki.org project
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Guillaume Delhumeau ([hidden email])
> > Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
> > Committer on the XWiki.org project
>
>
>
> --
> Thomas Mortagne
>
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Guillaume Delhumeau
In reply to this post by Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
2017-10-03 17:32 GMT+02:00 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[hidden email]>:

> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 10:50 AM, Guillaume Delhumeau <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > 2017-10-02 18:09 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol <[hidden email]>:
> >
> > >
> > > > On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:08, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:05, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Another feedback/questions:
> > > >>
> > > >> * Is the avatar icon clickable and leading to the user profile?
> > > >> * We need a way to link directly to the diff, at least for page
> events
> > > so that the user can see what was modified (as we have currently in the
> > AS)
> > > >
> > > > * Maybe “2 hours ago” is not precise enough. In your example I see I
> > > created and modified the Roadmap page but they both say “2 hours ago”.
> > > Shouldn’t I be able to see how far away both events were done?
> > >
> > > My understanding is that events are grouped by app+type but not by
> entity
> > > anymore (for page events) and thus you can have 3 events displayed for
> > the
> > > same page, f.ex: Creation, Modification, Deletion.
> > >
> >
> > And you could also have different users grouped in the same composite
> > event. So when you display the details, it would be nice to show which
> user
> > made each event, and I see you have removed this info.
> >
>
> The focus of this proposal is on user, compared to the old one, when it was
> on the app/doc.
> Close to what we have on Facebool. So it didn't made sense that we say that
> a page has been edited by vmassol, and that the details showcase that
> multiple user actually did the edit.
>

But it's the way it is implemented right now. If we change that, it's not
only an UI change, it's also on the API-side too. Or maybe we could display
more than one avatar ?

Other problem: the emails that the notifications module send are supposed
to replace the watchlist at some point. Vincent already complained about
the fact the events concerning documents are not displayed as a tree,
corresponding to the hierarchy of the pages. I could think of a way to
display the events as a tree, but if we decide to focus more on the users,
we are going in two opposite directions.

Do you plan to cover the email case in your proposals?

Thanks,


>
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > -Vincent
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > -Vincent
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks
> > > >> -Vincent
> > > >>
> > > >>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:01, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:54, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> > [hidden email]>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Event Type: BlogPostPublishedEvent
> > > >>>> from
> > > >>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
> > > NotificationsImprovements9x#HEventTypes
> > > >>>
> > > >>> ok thanks, had missed this since I was reading from top to bottom
> and
> > > stopped at the overview :)
> > > >>>
> > > >>> However I don’t think it scales since it means one unique icon per
> > > combination of app type + event type.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> What would scale better is two icons: one for the app type and one
> > for
> > > the event type.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> For example imagine that the Blog app had the following events:
> > > >>> * When a blog post is published
> > > >>> * When a blog post is created
> > > >>> * When a blog post is removed
> > > >>>
> > > >>> You wouldn’t be able to use the RSS icon to represent the 3 events.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> BTW the RSS icon isn’t necessarily representative of the Blog app.
> A
> > > lot of apps can have a RSS feed.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> That’s the main remark I have: it’s going to be harder and harder
> to
> > > find unique icons as we had more events to apps, especially if there’s
> > only
> > > 1 icon that is supposed to combine both app type + event type.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> WDYT?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Thanks
> > > >>> -Vincent
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Thanks,
> > > >>>> Caty
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Vincent Massol <
> [hidden email]>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Hi Caty,
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:21, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> > > [hidden email]>
> > > >>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Hi,
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> I've created some improvements suggestions for our Notifications
> > > UI, see
> > > >>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
> > > >>>>> NotificationsImprovements9x
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Let me know what you think.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Re the overview, I don’t see where you mention the app?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> For example, could you show how a new Blog post would be
> displayed
> > > and you
> > > >>>>> differentiate that for example from a Page creation or
> > modification?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Thanks
> > > >>>>> -Vincent
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Thanks,
> > > >>>>>> Caty
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Guillaume Delhumeau ([hidden email])
> > Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
> > Committer on the XWiki.org project
> >
>



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Re: [Proposal][UX] Notifications Improvements 9.8+

Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 1:00 PM, Guillaume Delhumeau <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> 2017-10-03 17:32 GMT+02:00 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[hidden email]>:
>
> > On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 10:50 AM, Guillaume Delhumeau <
> > [hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > > 2017-10-02 18:09 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol <[hidden email]>:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:08, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:05, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Another feedback/questions:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> * Is the avatar icon clickable and leading to the user profile?
> > > > >> * We need a way to link directly to the diff, at least for page
> > events
> > > > so that the user can see what was modified (as we have currently in
> the
> > > AS)
> > > > >
> > > > > * Maybe “2 hours ago” is not precise enough. In your example I see
> I
> > > > created and modified the Roadmap page but they both say “2 hours
> ago”.
> > > > Shouldn’t I be able to see how far away both events were done?
> > > >
> > > > My understanding is that events are grouped by app+type but not by
> > entity
> > > > anymore (for page events) and thus you can have 3 events displayed
> for
> > > the
> > > > same page, f.ex: Creation, Modification, Deletion.
> > > >
> > >
> > > And you could also have different users grouped in the same composite
> > > event. So when you display the details, it would be nice to show which
> > user
> > > made each event, and I see you have removed this info.
> > >
> >
> > The focus of this proposal is on user, compared to the old one, when it
> was
> > on the app/doc.
> > Close to what we have on Facebool. So it didn't made sense that we say
> that
> > a page has been edited by vmassol, and that the details showcase that
> > multiple user actually did the edit.
> >
>
> But it's the way it is implemented right now. If we change that, it's not
> only an UI change, it's also on the API-side too. Or maybe we could display
> more than one avatar ?
>

The proposal is done as a prototype and I had no problems in displaying the
events. Maybe there is something I'm missing?
In theory, if another person changed something too, it should be displayed
as a separate entry.


>
> Other problem: the emails that the notifications module send are supposed
> to replace the watchlist at some point. Vincent already complained about
> the fact the events concerning documents are not displayed as a tree,
> corresponding to the hierarchy of the pages. I could think of a way to
> display the events as a tree, but if we decide to focus more on the users,
> we are going in two opposite directions.
>
> Do you plan to cover the email case in your proposals?
>

I don't plan to cover that case. I am not sure what exactly it's the
problem with the watchlist and why it should be displayed as a tree. If we
like to propose an alternative view we could do it in a separate page, but
the "Notifications menu" should be what users expect from a notification
system and what they are used to see in other applications. If we want to
propose something extra, more powerful, it should be additional and not the
main design.

Thanks,
Caty


>
> Thanks,
>
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > -Vincent
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > -Vincent
> > > > >
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thanks
> > > > >> -Vincent
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:01, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:54, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> > > [hidden email]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Event Type: BlogPostPublishedEvent
> > > > >>>> from
> > > > >>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
> > > > NotificationsImprovements9x#HEventTypes
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> ok thanks, had missed this since I was reading from top to bottom
> > and
> > > > stopped at the overview :)
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> However I don’t think it scales since it means one unique icon
> per
> > > > combination of app type + event type.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> What would scale better is two icons: one for the app type and
> one
> > > for
> > > > the event type.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> For example imagine that the Blog app had the following events:
> > > > >>> * When a blog post is published
> > > > >>> * When a blog post is created
> > > > >>> * When a blog post is removed
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> You wouldn’t be able to use the RSS icon to represent the 3
> events.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> BTW the RSS icon isn’t necessarily representative of the Blog
> app.
> > A
> > > > lot of apps can have a RSS feed.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> That’s the main remark I have: it’s going to be harder and harder
> > to
> > > > find unique icons as we had more events to apps, especially if
> there’s
> > > only
> > > > 1 icon that is supposed to combine both app type + event type.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> WDYT?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Thanks
> > > > >>> -Vincent
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> Thanks,
> > > > >>>> Caty
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Vincent Massol <
> > [hidden email]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>> Hi Caty,
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:21, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> > > > [hidden email]>
> > > > >>>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Hi,
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> I've created some improvements suggestions for our
> Notifications
> > > > UI, see
> > > > >>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
> > > > >>>>> NotificationsImprovements9x
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Let me know what you think.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Re the overview, I don’t see where you mention the app?
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> For example, could you show how a new Blog post would be
> > displayed
> > > > and you
> > > > >>>>> differentiate that for example from a Page creation or
> > > modification?
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Thanks
> > > > >>>>> -Vincent
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Thanks,
> > > > >>>>>> Caty
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Guillaume Delhumeau ([hidden email])
> > > Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
> > > Committer on the XWiki.org project
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Guillaume Delhumeau ([hidden email])
> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
> Committer on the XWiki.org project
>
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