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[Proposal][UX] Recent Changes Improvements

Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
Hi,

This is a page centric proposal for "Recent Changes":
* Partial Prototype (Firefox)
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActivityStreamP3D
* Some screenhots
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActivityStreamV3

Any feedback is greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Caty

P.S: Older user centric proposal was
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActivityStreamV2
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Re: [Proposal][UX] Recent Changes Improvements

Fabio Mancinelli-4
On 08/30/2010 04:29 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote:

> Hi,
>
> This is a page centric proposal for "Recent Changes":
> * Partial Prototype (Firefox)
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActivityStreamP3D
> * Some screenhots
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActivityStreamV3
>
> Any feedback is greatly appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Caty
>
> P.S: Older user centric proposal was
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActivityStreamV2

Does this mean that the user centric proposal is discarded?
I am asking this because when Sergiu sent the mail about the 2.5 Roadmap
the current proposal was user centric (and it fitted perfectly with
Wiki3.0 project's specifications).

-Fabio
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Re: [Proposal][UX] Recent Changes Improvements

Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
Hi Fabio,

This means I am iterating and I gather feedback and depending on that
feedback we must agree on a version.

On a wiki platform, what do you think is more relevant: the user or page
centric approach?
What are the things that make this version (the page centric one) not to fit
the Wiki 3.0 specification?

Jerome missed the avatars, so if you did too, please try to expand the items
in the prototype (when you hover the items an arrow appears in the right
part suggesting that the item can be expanded ).

Thanks,
Caty

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 18:05, Fabio Mancinelli
<[hidden email]>wrote:

> On 08/30/2010 04:29 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > This is a page centric proposal for "Recent Changes":
> > * Partial Prototype (Firefox)
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActivityStreamP3D
> > * Some screenhots
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActivityStreamV3
> >
> > Any feedback is greatly appreciated.
> > Thanks,
> > Caty
> >
> > P.S: Older user centric proposal was
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActivityStreamV2
>
> Does this mean that the user centric proposal is discarded?
> I am asking this because when Sergiu sent the mail about the 2.5 Roadmap
> the current proposal was user centric (and it fitted perfectly with
> Wiki3.0 project's specifications).
>
> -Fabio
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Re: [Proposal][UX] Recent Changes Improvements

Fabio Mancinelli-4
On 08/30/2010 05:46 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote:
> Hi Fabio,
>
> This means I am iterating and I gather feedback and depending on that
> feedback we must agree on a version.
>
Ok. I thought that "old" meant "superseded by" :)

> On a wiki platform, what do you think is more relevant: the user or page
> centric approach?
> What are the things that make this version (the page centric one) not to fit
> the Wiki 3.0 specification?
>
What is missing basically boils down to the "Share your thoughts" box
and the type of information we can convey with it.

The "user centric" view, imho, is also useful because a "user" could
also be an application that sends events (e.g., meeting or deadlines
reminders, etc.) that can be shown in a more natural way in a user
centric view. Basically even applications might share their thoughts
through the activity stream ;)

> Jerome missed the avatars, so if you did too, please try to expand the items
> in the prototype (when you hover the items an arrow appears in the right
> part suggesting that the item can be expanded ).
>
Yes I missed them too, but then I saw it.
Still the previously mentioned types of information are not available
anymore.

Thanks,
Fabio
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Re: [Proposal][UX] Recent Changes Improvements

Jerome Velociter
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----- "Fabio Mancinelli" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 08/30/2010 05:46 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote:
> > Hi Fabio,
> >
> > This means I am iterating and I gather feedback and depending on
> that
> > feedback we must agree on a version.
> >
> Ok. I thought that "old" meant "superseded by" :)
>
> > On a wiki platform, what do you think is more relevant: the user or
> page
> > centric approach?
> > What are the things that make this version (the page centric one)
> not to fit
> > the Wiki 3.0 specification?
> >
> What is missing basically boils down to the "Share your thoughts" box

Yes, user updates should be mixed in the stream ultimately, I think.

>
> and the type of information we can convey with it.
>
> The "user centric" view, imho, is also useful because a "user" could
> also be an application that sends events (e.g., meeting or deadlines
> reminders, etc.) that can be shown in a more natural way in a user
> centric view. Basically even applications might share their thoughts
> through the activity stream ;)

I completely agree with the last sentence. BUT I think it's not incompatible with a document/user mixed-approched (I don't think either full document-centric or full user-centric can embrace the versatility of XWiki)

I see two types of entries :

* Document updates. Basically what is currently in latest proposal (though I would add little user pictures here as well, even before the click). This is KM, collaboration, etc.
* Users/applications updates. Those are less structured, more a-la facebook.

I see something like http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActivityStreamMixed (raw picture, would have to be refined)

(Note I also have right-padded a bit more the comment/annotation/pencil/etc icons that are on top of user photos, I think they were a bit too masked by them)

Jerome.

>
> > Jerome missed the avatars, so if you did too, please try to expand
> the items
> > in the prototype (when you hover the items an arrow appears in the
> right
> > part suggesting that the item can be expanded ).
> >
> Yes I missed them too, but then I saw it.
> Still the previously mentioned types of information are not available
>
> anymore.
>
> Thanks,
> Fabio
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Re: [Proposal][UX] Recent Changes Improvements

Fabio Mancinelli-4
On 08/30/2010 07:16 PM, Jerome Velociter wrote:

>> The "user centric" view, imho, is also useful because a "user" could
>> also be an application that sends events (e.g., meeting or deadlines
>> reminders, etc.) that can be shown in a more natural way in a user
>> centric view. Basically even applications might share their thoughts
>> through the activity stream ;)
>
> I completely agree with the last sentence. BUT I think it's not incompatible with a document/user mixed-approched (I don't think either full document-centric or full user-centric can embrace the versatility of XWiki)
>
> I see two types of entries :
>
> * Document updates. Basically what is currently in latest proposal (though I would add little user pictures here as well, even before the click). This is KM, collaboration, etc.
> * Users/applications updates. Those are less structured, more a-la facebook.
>
> I see something like http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActivityStreamMixed (raw picture, would have to be refined)
> (Note I also have right-padded a bit more the comment/annotation/pencil/etc icons that are on top of user photos, I think they were a bit too masked by them)
>
I would have called that version "user centric" as well since documents
updates might be seen as posts done by the "XWiki system" user :)

Anyway, I think that the mixed approach is fine.

-Fabio
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Re: [Proposal][UX] Recent Changes Improvements

Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
Added:
- Application + User Changes
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/ActivityStreamV3/collapsedUserApp.png

- Feed + Filters
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/ActivityStreamV3/filters.png

Prototype:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActivityStreamP3D

Thanks,
Caty


On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 11:35, Fabio Mancinelli
<[hidden email]>wrote:

> On 08/30/2010 07:16 PM, Jerome Velociter wrote:
>
> >> The "user centric" view, imho, is also useful because a "user" could
> >> also be an application that sends events (e.g., meeting or deadlines
> >> reminders, etc.) that can be shown in a more natural way in a user
> >> centric view. Basically even applications might share their thoughts
> >> through the activity stream ;)
> >
> > I completely agree with the last sentence. BUT I think it's not
> incompatible with a document/user mixed-approched (I don't think either full
> document-centric or full user-centric can embrace the versatility of XWiki)
> >
> > I see two types of entries :
> >
> > * Document updates. Basically what is currently in latest proposal
> (though I would add little user pictures here as well, even before the
> click). This is KM, collaboration, etc.
> > * Users/applications updates. Those are less structured, more a-la
> facebook.
> >
> > I see something like
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActivityStreamMixed(raw picture, would have to be refined)
> > (Note I also have right-padded a bit more the
> comment/annotation/pencil/etc icons that are on top of user photos, I think
> they were a bit too masked by them)
> >
> I would have called that version "user centric" as well since documents
> updates might be seen as posts done by the "XWiki system" user :)
>
> Anyway, I think that the mixed approach is fine.
>
> -Fabio
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Re: [Proposal][UX] Recent Changes Improvements

Jerome Velociter
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I still strongly believe that user photos should appear in the stream before any click.

Especially for user updates instead of the "user.gif" icon.

Thanks
Jerome.

----- "Ecaterina Valica" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Added:
> - Application + User Changes
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/ActivityStreamV3/collapsedUserApp.png
>
> - Feed + Filters
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/ActivityStreamV3/filters.png
>
> Prototype:
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActivityStreamP3D
>
> Thanks,
> Caty
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 11:35, Fabio Mancinelli
> <[hidden email]>wrote:
>
> > On 08/30/2010 07:16 PM, Jerome Velociter wrote:
> >
> > >> The "user centric" view, imho, is also useful because a "user"
> could
> > >> also be an application that sends events (e.g., meeting or
> deadlines
> > >> reminders, etc.) that can be shown in a more natural way in a
> user
> > >> centric view. Basically even applications might share their
> thoughts
> > >> through the activity stream ;)
> > >
> > > I completely agree with the last sentence. BUT I think it's not
> > incompatible with a document/user mixed-approched (I don't think
> either full
> > document-centric or full user-centric can embrace the versatility of
> XWiki)
> > >
> > > I see two types of entries :
> > >
> > > * Document updates. Basically what is currently in latest
> proposal
> > (though I would add little user pictures here as well, even before
> the
> > click). This is KM, collaboration, etc.
> > > * Users/applications updates. Those are less structured, more
> a-la
> > facebook.
> > >
> > > I see something like
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActivityStreamMixed(raw
> picture, would have to be refined)
> > > (Note I also have right-padded a bit more the
> > comment/annotation/pencil/etc icons that are on top of user photos,
> I think
> > they were a bit too masked by them)
> > >
> > I would have called that version "user centric" as well since
> documents
> > updates might be seen as posts done by the "XWiki system" user :)
> >
> > Anyway, I think that the mixed approach is fine.
> >
> > -Fabio
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Re: [Proposal][UX] Recent Changes Improvements

Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
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On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 18:47, Ecaterina Valica <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Added:
> - Application + User Changes
>
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/ActivityStreamV3/collapsedUserApp.png
>
> - Feed + Filters
>
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/ActivityStreamV3/filters.png
>

Actually - if I think about it :P  we can have all this entries displayed as
a menu with 4 entries (Entries, Objects, Actions, Authors), each with its
own submenu that displays with a check the active filter. This would be in
order to save some space.

I need some help on what filters we want to keep and the category naming for
them.


>
> Prototype:
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActivityStreamP3D
>
> Thanks,
> Caty
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 11:35, Fabio Mancinelli <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> On 08/30/2010 07:16 PM, Jerome Velociter wrote:
>>
>> >> The "user centric" view, imho, is also useful because a "user" could
>> >> also be an application that sends events (e.g., meeting or deadlines
>> >> reminders, etc.) that can be shown in a more natural way in a user
>> >> centric view. Basically even applications might share their thoughts
>> >> through the activity stream ;)
>> >
>> > I completely agree with the last sentence. BUT I think it's not
>> incompatible with a document/user mixed-approched (I don't think either full
>> document-centric or full user-centric can embrace the versatility of XWiki)
>> >
>> > I see two types of entries :
>> >
>> > * Document updates. Basically what is currently in latest proposal
>> (though I would add little user pictures here as well, even before the
>> click). This is KM, collaboration, etc.
>> > * Users/applications updates. Those are less structured, more a-la
>> facebook.
>> >
>> > I see something like
>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActivityStreamMixed(raw picture, would have to be refined)
>> > (Note I also have right-padded a bit more the
>> comment/annotation/pencil/etc icons that are on top of user photos, I think
>> they were a bit too masked by them)
>> >
>> I would have called that version "user centric" as well since documents
>> updates might be seen as posts done by the "XWiki system" user :)
>>
>> Anyway, I think that the mixed approach is fine.
>>
>> -Fabio
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Re: [Proposal][UX] Recent Changes Improvements

Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
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On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 19:01, Jerome Velociter <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I still strongly believe that user photos should appear in the stream
> before any click.
>
> Especially for user updates instead of the "user.gif" icon.
>
>
k Jerome - I'll try that too.
Thanks


> Thanks
> Jerome.
>
> ----- "Ecaterina Valica" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Added:
> > - Application + User Changes
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/ActivityStreamV3/collapsedUserApp.png
> >
> > - Feed + Filters
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/ActivityStreamV3/filters.png
> >
> > Prototype:
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActivityStreamP3D
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Caty
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 11:35, Fabio Mancinelli
> > <[hidden email]>wrote:
> >
> > > On 08/30/2010 07:16 PM, Jerome Velociter wrote:
> > >
> > > >> The "user centric" view, imho, is also useful because a "user"
> > could
> > > >> also be an application that sends events (e.g., meeting or
> > deadlines
> > > >> reminders, etc.) that can be shown in a more natural way in a
> > user
> > > >> centric view. Basically even applications might share their
> > thoughts
> > > >> through the activity stream ;)
> > > >
> > > > I completely agree with the last sentence. BUT I think it's not
> > > incompatible with a document/user mixed-approched (I don't think
> > either full
> > > document-centric or full user-centric can embrace the versatility of
> > XWiki)
> > > >
> > > > I see two types of entries :
> > > >
> > > > * Document updates. Basically what is currently in latest
> > proposal
> > > (though I would add little user pictures here as well, even before
> > the
> > > click). This is KM, collaboration, etc.
> > > > * Users/applications updates. Those are less structured, more
> > a-la
> > > facebook.
> > > >
> > > > I see something like
> > >
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActivityStreamMixed(raw<http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActivityStreamMixed%28raw>
> > picture, would have to be refined)
> > > > (Note I also have right-padded a bit more the
> > > comment/annotation/pencil/etc icons that are on top of user photos,
> > I think
> > > they were a bit too masked by them)
> > > >
> > > I would have called that version "user centric" as well since
> > documents
> > > updates might be seen as posts done by the "XWiki system" user :)
> > >
> > > Anyway, I think that the mixed approach is fine.
> > >
> > > -Fabio
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Re: [Proposal][UX] Recent Changes Improvements

Fabio Mancinelli-4
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On 09/01/2010 06:01 PM, Jerome Velociter wrote:
> I still strongly believe that user photos should appear in the stream before any click.
>
> Especially for user updates instead of the "user.gif" icon.
>
> Thanks
> Jerome.
>
Another little remark: I think that user (and application) updates
should be expanded by default without needing the user to click in order
to show the actual message.

-Fabio
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Re: [Proposal][UX] Recent Changes Improvements

Guillaume Lerouge
Hi,

On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 10:26, Fabio Mancinelli
<[hidden email]>wrote:

> On 09/01/2010 06:01 PM, Jerome Velociter wrote:
> > I still strongly believe that user photos should appear in the stream
> before any click.
> >
> > Especially for user updates instead of the "user.gif" icon.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Jerome.
> >
> Another little remark: I think that user (and application) updates
> should be expanded by default without needing the user to click in order
> to show the actual message.
>

I agree with this one, there are too many toggles for my taste right now,
it's a bit confusing :-)

Guillaume


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Re: [Proposal][UX] Recent Changes Improvements

Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 11:43, Guillaume Lerouge <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 10:26, Fabio Mancinelli
> <[hidden email]>wrote:
>
> > On 09/01/2010 06:01 PM, Jerome Velociter wrote:
> > > I still strongly believe that user photos should appear in the stream
> > before any click.
> > >
> > > Especially for user updates instead of the "user.gif" icon.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Jerome.
> > >
> > Another little remark: I think that user (and application) updates
> > should be expanded by default without needing the user to click in order
> > to show the actual message.
> >
>

If we gonna have in the future something like this
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/AvatarsProposal/vcard.png
where we can put also the status in, then in order to see the status message
you could just hover the name of the user and you are not gonna have to
click on it.

For me, expanding statuses and application and not pages is inconsistency.

Also, we can have in the filters (don't know where) an "Expand / Collapse
All" option for people that have a certain preference in displaying.


>
> I agree with this one, there are too many toggles for my taste right now,
> it's a bit confusing :-)
>

some of the toggles in the prototype are broken - because well is a
prototype and as you see things change fast.

IMO, I like when things are not expanded because the interface is simpler
and you can focus on the entries that are relevant to you. Having so many
events (delete, edit, add, comment, annotate, attach, application, status,
pages, etc) is gonna be a mess if the items are gonna stay expanded.

Thanks,
Caty


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Re: [Proposal][UX] Recent Changes Improvements

Fabio Mancinelli-4
On 09/02/2010 11:13 AM, Ecaterina Valica wrote:

>>> Another little remark: I think that user (and application) updates
>>> should be expanded by default without needing the user to click in order
>>> to show the actual message.
>
> If we gonna have in the future something like this
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/AvatarsProposal/vcard.png
> where we can put also the status in, then in order to see the status message
> you could just hover the name of the user and you are not gonna have to
> click on it.
>
> For me, expanding statuses and application and not pages is inconsistency.
>
 > Also, we can have in the filters (don't know where) an "Expand / Collapse
 > All" option for people that have a certain preference in displaying.
 >
 >

IMHO, I think that the information and functionality of the "Changed
status" toggle adds unneeded complexity: when the user sees the avatar
icon in the activity stream she already knows that a "status has
changed", this information is already conveyed by the fact that an entry
of that type exists! Moreover a status update will contain, il 90% of
the cases, a single message so 90% of the "Changed status" expansion
will contain only 1 item.

For documents is different because changes can be a lot so the "4
changes by 3 contributors" conveys additional information.

What could be done to solve the "consistency" issue is to always display
the first item and hide the others in the collapsed list.

* So for single status updates you will have the status update directly
displayed.

* For multiple status updates by the same user you will have the last
one + a "3 more..." hidden behind the toggle

* For document updates with a single change you will just have the
change that has been done

* For documents with multiple changes you will have just the latest
change + "X more changes by Y contributors" toggle with the rest.

This would also solve the problem of having an activity stream filtered
only by "status updates" where the user has to click every time on
"expand all" in order to actually have the information which should be
available (and expected) by default.

WDYT?

-Fabio
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Re: [Proposal][UX] Recent Changes Improvements

Guillaume Lerouge
Hi,

On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 12:00, Fabio Mancinelli
<[hidden email]>wrote:

> On 09/02/2010 11:13 AM, Ecaterina Valica wrote:
>
> >>> Another little remark: I think that user (and application) updates
> >>> should be expanded by default without needing the user to click in
> order
> >>> to show the actual message.
> >
> > If we gonna have in the future something like this
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/AvatarsProposal/vcard.png
> > where we can put also the status in, then in order to see the status
> message
> > you could just hover the name of the user and you are not gonna have to
> > click on it.
> >
> > For me, expanding statuses and application and not pages is
> inconsistency.
> >
>  > Also, we can have in the filters (don't know where) an "Expand /
> Collapse
>  > All" option for people that have a certain preference in displaying.
>  >
>  >
>
> IMHO, I think that the information and functionality of the "Changed
> status" toggle adds unneeded complexity: when the user sees the avatar
> icon in the activity stream she already knows that a "status has
> changed", this information is already conveyed by the fact that an entry
> of that type exists! Moreover a status update will contain, il 90% of
> the cases, a single message so 90% of the "Changed status" expansion
> will contain only 1 item.
>
> For documents is different because changes can be a lot so the "4
> changes by 3 contributors" conveys additional information.
>
> What could be done to solve the "consistency" issue is to always display
> the first item and hide the others in the collapsed list.
>
> * So for single status updates you will have the status update directly
> displayed.
>
> * For multiple status updates by the same user you will have the last
> one + a "3 more..." hidden behind the toggle
>
> * For document updates with a single change you will just have the
> change that has been done
>
> * For documents with multiple changes you will have just the latest
> change + "X more changes by Y contributors" toggle with the rest.
>
> This would also solve the problem of having an activity stream filtered
> only by "status updates" where the user has to click every time on
> "expand all" in order to actually have the information which should be
> available (and expected) by default.
>
> WDYT?
>

I think that someone is spending a lot of time on facebook ;-) And I also
think it's a good idea and a great way to address the issue at hand.

Guillaume


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Re: [Proposal][UX] Recent Changes Improvements

Jerome Velociter
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----- "Fabio Mancinelli" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 09/02/2010 11:13 AM, Ecaterina Valica wrote:
>
> >>> Another little remark: I think that user (and application)
> updates
> >>> should be expanded by default without needing the user to click in
> order
> >>> to show the actual message.
> >
> > If we gonna have in the future something like this
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/AvatarsProposal/vcard.png
> > where we can put also the status in, then in order to see the status
> message
> > you could just hover the name of the user and you are not gonna have
> to
> > click on it.
> >
> > For me, expanding statuses and application and not pages is
> inconsistency.
> >
>  > Also, we can have in the filters (don't know where) an "Expand /
> Collapse
>  > All" option for people that have a certain preference in
> displaying.
>  >
>  >
>
> IMHO, I think that the information and functionality of the "Changed
> status" toggle adds unneeded complexity: when the user sees the avatar
>
> icon in the activity stream she already knows that a "status has
> changed", this information is already conveyed by the fact that an
> entry
> of that type exists! Moreover a status update will contain, il 90% of
>
> the cases, a single message so 90% of the "Changed status" expansion
> will contain only 1 item.
>
> For documents is different because changes can be a lot so the "4
> changes by 3 contributors" conveys additional information.
>
> What could be done to solve the "consistency" issue is to always
> display
> the first item and hide the others in the collapsed list.
>
> * So for single status updates you will have the status update
> directly
> displayed.

+1

And it would not shock me either if the style differs a little from the document updates : no icon but directly the user picture, a bit bigger than icons.

Jerome.

>
> * For multiple status updates by the same user you will have the last
>
> one + a "3 more..." hidden behind the toggle
>
> * For document updates with a single change you will just have the
> change that has been done
>
> * For documents with multiple changes you will have just the latest
> change + "X more changes by Y contributors" toggle with the rest.
>
> This would also solve the problem of having an activity stream
> filtered
> only by "status updates" where the user has to click every time on
> "expand all" in order to actually have the information which should be
>
> available (and expected) by default.
>
> WDYT?
>
> -Fabio
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Re: [Proposal][UX] Recent Changes Improvements

Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
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Changed:

- User / Application View
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/ActivityStreamV31/UserApplication.png

- Page Items Collapsed View
(shows not just the last change, but all the changes for the current day )
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/ActivityStreamV31/pageCollapsed.png

- Page Items Expanded View
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/ActivityStreamV31/pageExpanded.png

- Prototype (lots of things broken) - press the arrow to expand
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActivityStreamP31D

Thanks,
Caty
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Jerome Velociter
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Great ! I like it a lot.

I think Fabio's remark about the "changed status" being useless (implied) still holds. Also that user updates should somehow "stand out" compared to other entries (because it's human content vs. generated updates) that's why initially I've kept the big double quotes.
Anyway those are minor tweaks, I agree with the general idea.

Thanks,
Jerome.

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Sent: Thursday, September 2, 2010 5:38:35 PM GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Bern / Rome / Stockholm / Vienna
Subject: Re: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal][UX] Recent Changes Improvements

Changed:

- User / Application View
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/ActivityStreamV31/UserApplication.png

- Page Items Collapsed View
(shows not just the last change, but all the changes for the current day )
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/ActivityStreamV31/pageCollapsed.png

- Page Items Expanded View
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/ActivityStreamV31/pageExpanded.png

- Prototype (lots of things broken) - press the arrow to expand
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActivityStreamP31D

Thanks,
Caty
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Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 20:51, Jerome Velociter <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Great ! I like it a lot.
>
> I think Fabio's remark about the "changed status" being useless (implied)
> still holds. Also that user updates should somehow "stand out" compared to
> other entries (because it's human content vs. generated updates) that's why
> initially I've kept the big double quotes.
> Anyway those are minor tweaks, I agree with the general idea.
>

I tried to keep the consistency for all elements, and also to be easy to
scale for other user events: edit profile, new user or other application
events: new meeting, new participants, etc.

Thanks,
Caty


> Thanks,
> Jerome.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ecaterina Valica" <[hidden email]>
> To: "XWiki Developers" <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Thursday, September 2, 2010 5:38:35 PM GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin
> / Bern / Rome / Stockholm / Vienna
> Subject: Re: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal][UX] Recent Changes Improvements
>
> Changed:
>
> - User / Application View
>
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/ActivityStreamV31/UserApplication.png
>
> - Page Items Collapsed View
> (shows not just the last change, but all the changes for the current day )
>
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/ActivityStreamV31/pageCollapsed.png
>
> - Page Items Expanded View
>
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/ActivityStreamV31/pageExpanded.png
>
> - Prototype (lots of things broken) - press the arrow to expand
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActivityStreamP31D
>
> Thanks,
> Caty
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Re: [Proposal][UX] Recent Changes Improvements

Marius Dumitru Florea
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On 09/02/2010 06:38 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote:
> Changed:
>
> - User / Application View
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/ActivityStreamV31/UserApplication.png
>
> - Page Items Collapsed View
> (shows not just the last change, but all the changes for the current day )

> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/ActivityStreamV31/pageCollapsed.png

Why is Marta's avatar repeated for the same action (attach files) in
collapsed view? Are they going to be linked to two different things? It
is also a bit confusing because they don't match the number of attached
files. You have to expand to understand that the first avatar is linked
to two files attached.

>
> - Page Items Expanded View
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/ActivityStreamV31/pageExpanded.png
>
> - Prototype (lots of things broken) - press the arrow to expand

> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActivityStreamP31D

Same, your avatar appears twice for the same action (edit activity
stream prototype). IMO it's enough to show the avatar once for the same
action (e.g. edit) in collapsed view and to display it multiple times in
expanded view.

Besides that, I like your proposal. Great job!

Thanks,
Marius

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