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Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau
Hi developers.

Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate Workspace in
XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA:
http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when Workspaces
activated".

The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which was
scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I have
also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work.

== Proposal A ==
There is some screenshots (Proposal A):
Logged as admin:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
Not logged as admin:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin.png

You can get it from this commit:
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249382e3d2c4138
(except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot)

We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the current menus:
- Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are in a
(sub)wiki? Does it make sense?
- Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the current
wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and several
"sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in the
future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between "main"
and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the users
to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the menu
"System" or "XWiki".
- When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a
single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more content.
It does not look good.
- If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" twice: once
in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu.
- The left menu has too many items.

== Proposal B ==
Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, so we
started to iterate until having this proposal:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(proposal
B).

Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left side, we
have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually achieve
on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" or
"Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just
provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a "System"
menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we put it
there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less confusing.

== Proposal C ==
We had also this idea:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposal C)
But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main Wiki"
link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like
"Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are.

---
After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I do? Do
I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because he
wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be changed
for the RC1, and he applied the pull request.

So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have:

A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal):
Current implementation:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
Mockup with the new skin:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/MenuPortal.png

B - "XWiki" right menu:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png

C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png

I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, regarding
one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must have a
consensus for the RC1!

 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy).
+0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO).
-1 for proposal C.

Louis-Marie
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Re: [Proposals] Menu improvements when Workspaces activated

vmassol
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You forgot one proposal which I like:

== Proposal D ==

* Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left)
* When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki
* The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other wikis
* It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over the logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first entry = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with "Wiki Index" for example.

What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the logo as a way to navigate to the home of wiki.

Thanks
-Vincent

On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi developers.
>
> Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate Workspace in
> XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA:
> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when Workspaces
> activated".
>
> The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which was
> scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I have
> also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work.
>
> == Proposal A ==
> There is some screenshots (Proposal A):
> Logged as admin:
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> Not logged as admin:
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin.png
>
> You can get it from this commit:
> https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249382e3d2c4138
> (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot)
>
> We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the current menus:
> - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are in a
> (sub)wiki? Does it make sense?
> - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the current
> wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and several
> "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in the
> future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between "main"
> and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the users
> to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the menu
> "System" or "XWiki".
> - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a
> single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more content.
> It does not look good.
> - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" twice: once
> in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu.
> - The left menu has too many items.
>
> == Proposal B ==
> Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, so we
> started to iterate until having this proposal:
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(proposal
> B).
>
> Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left side, we
> have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually achieve
> on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" or
> "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just
> provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a "System"
> menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we put it
> there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less confusing.
>
> == Proposal C ==
> We had also this idea:
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposal C)
> But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main Wiki"
> link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like
> "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are.
>
> ---
> After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I do? Do
> I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because he
> wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be changed
> for the RC1, and he applied the pull request.
>
> So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have:
>
> A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal):
> Current implementation:
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> Mockup with the new skin:
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/MenuPortal.png
>
> B - "XWiki" right menu:
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
>
> C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu:
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png
>
> I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, regarding
> one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must have a
> consensus for the RC1!
>
> 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy).
> +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO).
> -1 for proposal C.
>
> Louis-Marie
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Re: [Proposals] Menu improvements when Workspaces activated

vmassol
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Hi,

Generally speaking if we add a menu located next to the existing page/space/wiki menus it cannot be a menu representing a wiki since it's not logical (there's already a wiki level menu). It has to represent something bigger than a wiki. That's the System, aka XWiki, aka Portal.

Home wouldn't make sense since it would mean having all the menu entries that you normally find in the wiki menu and that's distriburing and there's no reason to have shortcuts for those when you are in a subwiki (if you wish to administer the main wiki for example, you can navigate to the main wiki, it's not so often that you need to administer the main wiki when you're on a subwiki that you need a shortcut for it!). As guillaume said below, if we do this we also have duplicated menus when you're in the main wiki and if you decide to not show it when you're on the main wiki then you have a solution that's not uneven since it means visually different menus when on the main wiki and when on a subwiki which isn't nice. It's much better to have a menu entry that stays wherver you're located. The notion of System/XWiki/Portal allows for this.

Note 1: I'm personally fine to have the System/XWiki/Portal menu located on the left too if everyone wants that. It makes the menu system a bit crowded.
Note 2: This System menu could only appear when there's more than 1 wiki since we want to make it as lightweight possible for single wiki users
Note 3: An option would be to have a switch in the Admin to enable wiki creation and not base the appearance of the system menu and the Add>Wiki on whether there's 1 or more subwikis.

So, based on this:
* Solution A: -1
* Solution B: +1 (I'm fine with having "System", "XWiki" or some other names representing the whole system but not "Home" which doesn't represent the system but the main wiki only. I'm also fine to move that menu on the left)
* Solution C: -1
* Solution D: +1

Thanks
-Vincent

On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi developers.
>
> Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate Workspace in
> XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA:
> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when Workspaces
> activated".
>
> The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which was
> scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I have
> also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work.
>
> == Proposal A ==
> There is some screenshots (Proposal A):
> Logged as admin:
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> Not logged as admin:
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin.png
>
> You can get it from this commit:
> https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249382e3d2c4138
> (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot)
>
> We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the current menus:
> - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are in a
> (sub)wiki? Does it make sense?
> - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the current
> wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and several
> "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in the
> future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between "main"
> and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the users
> to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the menu
> "System" or "XWiki".
> - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a
> single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more content.
> It does not look good.
> - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" twice: once
> in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu.
> - The left menu has too many items.
>
> == Proposal B ==
> Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, so we
> started to iterate until having this proposal:
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(proposal
> B).
>
> Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left side, we
> have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually achieve
> on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" or
> "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just
> provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a "System"
> menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we put it
> there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less confusing.
>
> == Proposal C ==
> We had also this idea:
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposal C)
> But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main Wiki"
> link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like
> "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are.
>
> ---
> After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I do? Do
> I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because he
> wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be changed
> for the RC1, and he applied the pull request.
>
> So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have:
>
> A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal):
> Current implementation:
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> Mockup with the new skin:
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/MenuPortal.png
>
> B - "XWiki" right menu:
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
>
> C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu:
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png
>
> I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, regarding
> one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must have a
> consensus for the RC1!
>
> 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy).
> +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO).
> -1 for proposal C.
>
> Louis-Marie
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Re: [Proposals] Menu improvements when Workspaces activated

Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
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On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]> wrote:

> You forgot one proposal which I like:
>
> == Proposal D ==
>
> * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left)
> * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki
> * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating
> either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other wikis
> * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over the
> logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first entry
> = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with "Wiki
> Index" for example.
>
> What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the logo as
> a way to navigate to the home of wiki.
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
> On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Hi developers.
> >
> > Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate Workspace
> in
> > XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA:
> > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when
> Workspaces
> > activated".
> >
> > The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which was
> > scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I have
> > also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work.
> >
> > == Proposal A ==
> > There is some screenshots (Proposal A):
> > Logged as admin:
> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> > Not logged as admin:
> >
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin.png
> >
> > You can get it from this commit:
> >
> https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249382e3d2c4138
> > (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot)
> >
>

So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu

In your screenshot is:
* Home
** Administer Main Wiki
** Wiki Directory

What it was proposed:
* Home
** Administration
** Wikis Index
** ....
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png

"Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as:
- "Administration"
or
- "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home"
depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki.


> > We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the current
> menus:
> > - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are in
> a
> > (sub)wiki? Does it make sense?
>

As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate both
the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki).


> > - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the current
> > wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and
> several
> > "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in the
> > future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between "main"
> > and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the
> users
> > to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the menu
> > "System" or "XWiki".
>

The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu displays
the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with the
way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.)

> - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a
> > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more
> content.
> > It does not look good.
>

In the proposal there is
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could also
list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" (especially
since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in the
main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a
consistency between the index/directory applications naming.

So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu, we
could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)).


> > - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" twice:
> once
> > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu.
> > - The left menu has too many items.
>

If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from
* Menu in the (sub)wiki
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
in
* Menu in the Home (mainwiki)
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png

The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of content'
inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages)


> >
> > == Proposal B ==
> > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, so we
> > started to iterate until having this proposal:
> >
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(proposal
> > B).
> >
> > Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left side,
> we
> > have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually
> achieve
> > on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" or
> > "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just
> > provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a
> "System"
> > menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we put it
> > there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less confusing.
>

I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization
hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page.
You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User". The
"Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your location in
the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related actions.

Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize
their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their
own.


> >
> > == Proposal C ==
> > We had also this idea:
> >
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
> > But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main Wiki"
> > link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like
> > "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are.
>

Crowded and serves as a double function.


> >
> > ---
> > After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I do?
> Do
> > I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because he
> > wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be
> changed
> > for the RC1, and he applied the pull request.
> >
> > So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have:
> >
> > A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal):
> > Current implementation:
> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> > Mockup with the new skin:
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/MenuPortal.png
> >
> > B - "XWiki" right menu:
> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
> >
> > C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu:
> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png
> >
> > I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion,
> regarding
> > one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must have a
> > consensus for the RC1!
> >
> > 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy).
> > +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO).
> > -1 for proposal C.
> >
>

So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu

(Wiki / (sub)wiki)
* Home
** Administration
** ---
** Wikis Index/Directory
** Documents Index

(Home/mainwiki)
* Home
** Watch Home
** Administer Home
** ---
** Wikis Index
** Documents Index

Thanks,
Caty


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Re: [Proposals] Menu improvements when Workspaces activated

Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau
Indeed, the proposal A was based on
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenu instead
of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu .

Then I suggest to call your proposal: E.

Let me recap:

- Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".

- Proposal B : XWiki right side menu

- Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu

- Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.

- Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.

--

About E:
Some issues IMHO:
- The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and
when you are in the subwiki.
- Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users and
the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it be
confusing?

Thanks,
Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau



2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[hidden email]>

> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > You forgot one proposal which I like:
> >
> > == Proposal D ==
> >
> > * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left)
> > * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki
> > * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating
> > either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other wikis
> > * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over the
> > logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first
> entry
> > = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with
> "Wiki
> > Index" for example.
> >
> > What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the logo as
> > a way to navigate to the home of wiki.
> >
> > Thanks
> > -Vincent
> >
> > On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau <
> > [hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi developers.
> > >
> > > Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate
> Workspace
> > in
> > > XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA:
> > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when
> > Workspaces
> > > activated".
> > >
> > > The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which was
> > > scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I
> have
> > > also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work.
> > >
> > > == Proposal A ==
> > > There is some screenshots (Proposal A):
> > > Logged as admin:
> > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> > > Not logged as admin:
> > >
> >
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin.png
> > >
> > > You can get it from this commit:
> > >
> >
> https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249382e3d2c4138
> > > (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot)
> > >
> >
>
> So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
>
> In your screenshot is:
> * Home
> ** Administer Main Wiki
> ** Wiki Directory
>
> What it was proposed:
> * Home
> ** Administration
> ** Wikis Index
> ** ....
>
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
>
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png
>
> "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as:
> - "Administration"
> or
> - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home"
> depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki.
>
>
> > > We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the current
> > menus:
> > > - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are
> in
> > a
> > > (sub)wiki? Does it make sense?
> >
>
> As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate both
> the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki).
>
>
> > > - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the current
> > > wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and
> > several
> > > "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in the
> > > future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between
> "main"
> > > and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the
> > users
> > > to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the
> menu
> > > "System" or "XWiki".
> >
>
> The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu displays
> the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with the
> way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.)
>
> > - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a
> > > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more
> > content.
> > > It does not look good.
> >
>
> In the proposal there is
>
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
> Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could also
> list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" (especially
> since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in the
> main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a
> consistency between the index/directory applications naming.
>
> So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu, we
> could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)).
>
>
> > > - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" twice:
> > once
> > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu.
> > > - The left menu has too many items.
> >
>
> If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from
> * Menu in the (sub)wiki
>
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
> in
> * Menu in the Home (mainwiki)
>
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png
>
> The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of content'
> inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages)
>
>
> > >
> > > == Proposal B ==
> > > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, so we
> > > started to iterate until having this proposal:
> > >
> >
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(proposal
> > > B).
> > >
> > > Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left
> side,
> > we
> > > have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually
> > achieve
> > > on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" or
> > > "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just
> > > provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a
> > "System"
> > > menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we put
> it
> > > there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less
> confusing.
> >
>
> I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization
> hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page.
> You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User". The
> "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your location in
> the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related actions.
>
> Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize
> their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their
> own.
>
>
> > >
> > > == Proposal C ==
> > > We had also this idea:
> > >
> >
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
> > > But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main Wiki"
> > > link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like
> > > "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are.
> >
>
> Crowded and serves as a double function.
>
>
> > >
> > > ---
> > > After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I
> do?
> > Do
> > > I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because he
> > > wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be
> > changed
> > > for the RC1, and he applied the pull request.
> > >
> > > So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have:
> > >
> > > A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal):
> > > Current implementation:
> > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> > > Mockup with the new skin:
> > >
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/MenuPortal.png
> > >
> > > B - "XWiki" right menu:
> > >
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
> > >
> > > C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu:
> > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png
> > >
> > > I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion,
> > regarding
> > > one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must have
> a
> > > consensus for the RC1!
> > >
> > > 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy).
> > > +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO).
> > > -1 for proposal C.
> > >
> >
>
> So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed:
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
>
> (Wiki / (sub)wiki)
> * Home
> ** Administration
> ** ---
> ** Wikis Index/Directory
> ** Documents Index
>
> (Home/mainwiki)
> * Home
> ** Watch Home
> ** Administer Home
> ** ---
> ** Wikis Index
> ** Documents Index
>
> Thanks,
> Caty
>
>
> > > Louis-Marie
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > devs mailing list
> > > [hidden email]
> > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > devs mailing list
> > [hidden email]
> > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
> >
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Re: [Proposals] Menu improvements when Workspaces activated

jerem
Hi,


2013/9/12 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[hidden email]>

> Indeed, the proposal A was based on
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead
> of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu .
>
> Then I suggest to call your proposal: E.
>
> Let me recap:
>
> - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".
>
> - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu
>
> - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu
>
> - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.
>
> - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.
>
> --
>
> About E:
> Some issues IMHO:
> - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and
> when you are in the subwiki.
> - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users and
> the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it be
> confusing?
>

I would say: it depends.
In "farm" concept it's almost completely useless, because different persons
will administrate different subwikis of their own and someone else will
administrate main wiki.
In "workspace" concept, I find very useful to be able to administrate main
wiki without having to browse to main wiki, because I may find myself
wanting to administer main wiki just anytime, while I administer a subwiki
merely to manage users allowed in this subwiki ... and, yes, install
extensions and choose a color theme.

To be honest, I use 5.1 + Workspace extension, and I hardly have any issue
with navigating through wikis, administering this or that etc ... The only
thing I would miss, are some quick links to switch to a wiki or the other
(instead of having to browse to a "Workspace directory" page), but this
kind of thing does not really scale with numerous wikis.

I like Vincent's idea to tweak the home logo, as I never quite liked the
idea of a "Home" menu - home in websites is typically the homepage, and
nothing else.


>
> Thanks,
> Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
>
>
>
> 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[hidden email]>
>
> > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > You forgot one proposal which I like:
> > >
> > > == Proposal D ==
> > >
> > > * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left)
> > > * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki
> > > * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating
> > > either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other wikis
> > > * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over
> the
> > > logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first
> > entry
> > > = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with
> > "Wiki
> > > Index" for example.
> > >
> > > What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the logo
> as
> > > a way to navigate to the home of wiki.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > -Vincent
> > >
> > > On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau <
> > > [hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi developers.
> > > >
> > > > Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate
> > Workspace
> > > in
> > > > XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA:
> > > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when
> > > Workspaces
> > > > activated".
> > > >
> > > > The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which
> was
> > > > scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I
> > have
> > > > also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work.
> > > >
> > > > == Proposal A ==
> > > > There is some screenshots (Proposal A):
> > > > Logged as admin:
> > > >
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> > > > Not logged as admin:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin.png
> > > >
> > > > You can get it from this commit:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249382e3d2c4138
> > > > (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot)
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal
> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
> >
> > In your screenshot is:
> > * Home
> > ** Administer Main Wiki
> > ** Wiki Directory
> >
> > What it was proposed:
> > * Home
> > ** Administration
> > ** Wikis Index
> > ** ....
> >
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
> >
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png
> >
> > "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as:
> > - "Administration"
> > or
> > - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home"
> > depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki.
> >
> >
> > > > We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the current
> > > menus:
> > > > - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are
> > in
> > > a
> > > > (sub)wiki? Does it make sense?
> > >
> >
> > As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate both
> > the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki).
> >
> >
> > > > - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the
> current
> > > > wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and
> > > several
> > > > "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in
> the
> > > > future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between
> > "main"
> > > > and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the
> > > users
> > > > to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the
> > menu
> > > > "System" or "XWiki".
> > >
> >
> > The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu
> displays
> > the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with the
> > way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.)
> >
> > > - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a
> > > > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more
> > > content.
> > > > It does not look good.
> > >
> >
> > In the proposal there is
> >
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
> > Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could
> also
> > list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" (especially
> > since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in
> the
> > main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a
> > consistency between the index/directory applications naming.
> >
> > So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu,
> we
> > could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)).
> >
> >
> > > > - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" twice:
> > > once
> > > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu.
> > > > - The left menu has too many items.
> > >
> >
> > If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from
> > * Menu in the (sub)wiki
> >
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
> > in
> > * Menu in the Home (mainwiki)
> >
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png
> >
> > The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of content'
> > inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages)
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > > == Proposal B ==
> > > > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, so
> we
> > > > started to iterate until having this proposal:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(proposal
> > > > B).
> > > >
> > > > Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left
> > side,
> > > we
> > > > have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually
> > > achieve
> > > > on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" or
> > > > "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just
> > > > provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a
> > > "System"
> > > > menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we
> put
> > it
> > > > there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less
> > confusing.
> > >
> >
> > I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization
> > hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page.
> > You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User".
> The
> > "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your location
> in
> > the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related
> actions.
> >
> > Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize
> > their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their
> > own.
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > > == Proposal C ==
> > > > We had also this idea:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
> > > > But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main
> Wiki"
> > > > link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like
> > > > "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are.
> > >
> >
> > Crowded and serves as a double function.
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > > ---
> > > > After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I
> > do?
> > > Do
> > > > I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because
> he
> > > > wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be
> > > changed
> > > > for the RC1, and he applied the pull request.
> > > >
> > > > So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have:
> > > >
> > > > A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal):
> > > > Current implementation:
> > > >
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> > > > Mockup with the new skin:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/MenuPortal.png
> > > >
> > > > B - "XWiki" right menu:
> > > >
> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
> > > >
> > > > C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu:
> > > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png
> > > >
> > > > I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion,
> > > regarding
> > > > one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must
> have
> > a
> > > > consensus for the RC1!
> > > >
> > > > 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy).
> > > > +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO).
> > > > -1 for proposal C.
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed:
> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
> >
> > (Wiki / (sub)wiki)
> > * Home
> > ** Administration
> > ** ---
> > ** Wikis Index/Directory
> > ** Documents Index
> >
> > (Home/mainwiki)
> > * Home
> > ** Watch Home
> > ** Administer Home
> > ** ---
> > ** Wikis Index
> > ** Documents Index
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Caty
> >
> >
> > > > Louis-Marie
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > devs mailing list
> > > > [hidden email]
> > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > devs mailing list
> > > [hidden email]
> > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > devs mailing list
> > [hidden email]
> > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
> >
> _______________________________________________
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Re: [Proposals] Menu improvements when Workspaces activated

Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau
Hi.

Seems RC1 is soon, I encourage everybody to give his point of view in order
to make a choice.

Thanks,
Guillaume


2013/9/12 Jeremie BOUSQUET <[hidden email]>

> Hi,
>
>
> 2013/9/12 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[hidden email]>
>
> > Indeed, the proposal A was based on
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead
> > of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu .
> >
> > Then I suggest to call your proposal: E.
> >
> > Let me recap:
> >
> > - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".
> >
> > - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu
> >
> > - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu
> >
> > - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.
> >
> > - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.
> >
> > --
> >
> > About E:
> > Some issues IMHO:
> > - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and
> > when you are in the subwiki.
> > - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users
> and
> > the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it
> be
> > confusing?
> >
>
> I would say: it depends.
> In "farm" concept it's almost completely useless, because different persons
> will administrate different subwikis of their own and someone else will
> administrate main wiki.
> In "workspace" concept, I find very useful to be able to administrate main
> wiki without having to browse to main wiki, because I may find myself
> wanting to administer main wiki just anytime, while I administer a subwiki
> merely to manage users allowed in this subwiki ... and, yes, install
> extensions and choose a color theme.
>
> To be honest, I use 5.1 + Workspace extension, and I hardly have any issue
> with navigating through wikis, administering this or that etc ... The only
> thing I would miss, are some quick links to switch to a wiki or the other
> (instead of having to browse to a "Workspace directory" page), but this
> kind of thing does not really scale with numerous wikis.
>
> I like Vincent's idea to tweak the home logo, as I never quite liked the
> idea of a "Home" menu - home in websites is typically the homepage, and
> nothing else.
>
>
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
> >
> >
> >
> > 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[hidden email]>
> >
> > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > You forgot one proposal which I like:
> > > >
> > > > == Proposal D ==
> > > >
> > > > * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left)
> > > > * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki
> > > > * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating
> > > > either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other
> wikis
> > > > * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over
> > the
> > > > logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first
> > > entry
> > > > = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with
> > > "Wiki
> > > > Index" for example.
> > > >
> > > > What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the
> logo
> > as
> > > > a way to navigate to the home of wiki.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > -Vincent
> > > >
> > > > On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau <
> > > > [hidden email]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi developers.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate
> > > Workspace
> > > > in
> > > > > XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA:
> > > > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when
> > > > Workspaces
> > > > > activated".
> > > > >
> > > > > The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which
> > was
> > > > > scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request.
> I
> > > have
> > > > > also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work.
> > > > >
> > > > > == Proposal A ==
> > > > > There is some screenshots (Proposal A):
> > > > > Logged as admin:
> > > > >
> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> > > > > Not logged as admin:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin.png
> > > > >
> > > > > You can get it from this commit:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249382e3d2c4138
> > > > > (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot)
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal
> > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
> > >
> > > In your screenshot is:
> > > * Home
> > > ** Administer Main Wiki
> > > ** Wiki Directory
> > >
> > > What it was proposed:
> > > * Home
> > > ** Administration
> > > ** Wikis Index
> > > ** ....
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png
> > >
> > > "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as:
> > > - "Administration"
> > > or
> > > - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home"
> > > depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki.
> > >
> > >
> > > > > We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the
> current
> > > > menus:
> > > > > - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we
> are
> > > in
> > > > a
> > > > > (sub)wiki? Does it make sense?
> > > >
> > >
> > > As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate
> both
> > > the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki).
> > >
> > >
> > > > > - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the
> > current
> > > > > wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and
> > > > several
> > > > > "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in
> > the
> > > > > future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between
> > > "main"
> > > > > and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows
> the
> > > > users
> > > > > to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the
> > > menu
> > > > > "System" or "XWiki".
> > > >
> > >
> > > The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu
> > displays
> > > the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with
> the
> > > way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.)
> > >
> > > > - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a
> > > > > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more
> > > > content.
> > > > > It does not look good.
> > > >
> > >
> > > In the proposal there is
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
> > > Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could
> > also
> > > list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory"
> (especially
> > > since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in
> > the
> > > main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a
> > > consistency between the index/directory applications naming.
> > >
> > > So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu,
> > we
> > > could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)).
> > >
> > >
> > > > > - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki"
> twice:
> > > > once
> > > > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu.
> > > > > - The left menu has too many items.
> > > >
> > >
> > > If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from
> > > * Menu in the (sub)wiki
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
> > > in
> > > * Menu in the Home (mainwiki)
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png
> > >
> > > The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of
> content'
> > > inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages)
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > == Proposal B ==
> > > > > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2,
> so
> > we
> > > > > started to iterate until having this proposal:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(proposal
> > > > > B).
> > > > >
> > > > > Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left
> > > side,
> > > > we
> > > > > have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually
> > > > achieve
> > > > > on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete"
> or
> > > > > "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it
> just
> > > > > provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a
> > > > "System"
> > > > > menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we
> > put
> > > it
> > > > > there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less
> > > confusing.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization
> > > hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page.
> > > You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User".
> > The
> > > "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your
> location
> > in
> > > the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related
> > actions.
> > >
> > > Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize
> > > their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their
> > > own.
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > == Proposal C ==
> > > > > We had also this idea:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
> > > > > But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main
> > Wiki"
> > > > > link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like
> > > > > "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Crowded and serves as a double function.
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ---
> > > > > After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should
> I
> > > do?
> > > > Do
> > > > > I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes,
> because
> > he
> > > > > wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be
> > > > changed
> > > > > for the RC1, and he applied the pull request.
> > > > >
> > > > > So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have:
> > > > >
> > > > > A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal):
> > > > > Current implementation:
> > > > >
> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> > > > > Mockup with the new skin:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/MenuPortal.png
> > > > >
> > > > > B - "XWiki" right menu:
> > > > >
> > >
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
> > > > >
> > > > > C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu:
> > > > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png
> > > > >
> > > > > I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion,
> > > > regarding
> > > > > one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must
> > have
> > > a
> > > > > consensus for the RC1!
> > > > >
> > > > > 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy).
> > > > > +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO).
> > > > > -1 for proposal C.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed:
> > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
> > >
> > > (Wiki / (sub)wiki)
> > > * Home
> > > ** Administration
> > > ** ---
> > > ** Wikis Index/Directory
> > > ** Documents Index
> > >
> > > (Home/mainwiki)
> > > * Home
> > > ** Watch Home
> > > ** Administer Home
> > > ** ---
> > > ** Wikis Index
> > > ** Documents Index
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Caty
> > >
> > >
> > > > > Louis-Marie
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Re: [Proposals] Menu improvements when Workspaces activated

Denis Gervalle-2
Hi devs,

Here is my views on the current proposals:

Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".


-0, terms and menu options are not as appropriate as E, the duplication at
main level is confusing.

Proposal B : XWiki right side menu


-1, please do not mix users and content. From end user POV, I am not sure
XWiki, System or whatever could have any sense.

Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu


0, could be a light way to do it, but prevent direct access to user
administration, this is looks like a farm version.

Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.


-1, the logo could be customized or even removed, keeping the menu is
usually easy, but keeping the logo and these functions could quickly became
a nightmare on a customized site. Moreover, it also prevent direct user
administration.

Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.


+1, this is my favorite right now, especially looking at the upcoming skin
when the "Add" menu will be moved out of the top bar.

I do not understand why we would like to hide the fact that the main wiki
is "on top" of others wikis. This is currently true technically speaking,
but it also make sense from a user and content POV. When used in the
workspace configuration, the main wiki will hold the users but also the
main home and welcome pages, the navigation between workspaces, the global
activity stream, ... it is the entry point, the portal for all the
subwikis. The only case where the main wiki get almost useless is in the
farm configuration, but this is not our subject here.

Therefore, I see proposal E as the one that represent real hierarchy
properly for the end user.



On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi.
>
> Seems RC1 is soon, I encourage everybody to give his point of view in order
> to make a choice.
>
> Thanks,
> Guillaume
>
>
> 2013/9/12 Jeremie BOUSQUET <[hidden email]>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> > 2013/9/12 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[hidden email]>
> >
> > > Indeed, the proposal A was based on
> > >
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead
> > > of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu .
> > >
> > > Then I suggest to call your proposal: E.
> > >
> > > Let me recap:
> > >
> > > - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".
> > >
> > > - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu
> > >
> > > - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu
> > >
> > > - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.
> > >
> > > - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > About E:
> > > Some issues IMHO:
> > > - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and
> > > when you are in the subwiki.
> > > - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users
> > and
> > > the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it
> > be
> > > confusing?
> > >
> >
> > I would say: it depends.
> > In "farm" concept it's almost completely useless, because different
> persons
> > will administrate different subwikis of their own and someone else will
> > administrate main wiki.
> > In "workspace" concept, I find very useful to be able to administrate
> main
> > wiki without having to browse to main wiki, because I may find myself
> > wanting to administer main wiki just anytime, while I administer a
> subwiki
> > merely to manage users allowed in this subwiki ... and, yes, install
> > extensions and choose a color theme.
> >
> > To be honest, I use 5.1 + Workspace extension, and I hardly have any
> issue
> > with navigating through wikis, administering this or that etc ... The
> only
> > thing I would miss, are some quick links to switch to a wiki or the other
> > (instead of having to browse to a "Workspace directory" page), but this
> > kind of thing does not really scale with numerous wikis.
> >
> > I like Vincent's idea to tweak the home logo, as I never quite liked the
> > idea of a "Home" menu - home in websites is typically the homepage, and
> > nothing else.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[hidden email]>
> > >
> > > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > You forgot one proposal which I like:
> > > > >
> > > > > == Proposal D ==
> > > > >
> > > > > * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left)
> > > > > * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current
> wiki
> > > > > * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow
> navigating
> > > > > either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other
> > wikis
> > > > > * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover
> over
> > > the
> > > > > logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with
> first
> > > > entry
> > > > > = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry
> with
> > > > "Wiki
> > > > > Index" for example.
> > > > >
> > > > > What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the
> > logo
> > > as
> > > > > a way to navigate to the home of wiki.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > -Vincent
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau <
> > > > > [hidden email]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi developers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate
> > > > Workspace
> > > > > in
> > > > > > XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA:
> > > > > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when
> > > > > Workspaces
> > > > > > activated".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2
> (which
> > > was
> > > > > > scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull
> request.
> > I
> > > > have
> > > > > > also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > == Proposal A ==
> > > > > > There is some screenshots (Proposal A):
> > > > > > Logged as admin:
> > > > > >
> > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> > > > > > Not logged as admin:
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin.png
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You can get it from this commit:
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249382e3d2c4138
> > > > > > (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot)
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal
> > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
> > > >
> > > > In your screenshot is:
> > > > * Home
> > > > ** Administer Main Wiki
> > > > ** Wiki Directory
> > > >
> > > > What it was proposed:
> > > > * Home
> > > > ** Administration
> > > > ** Wikis Index
> > > > ** ....
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png
> > > >
> > > > "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as:
> > > > - "Administration"
> > > > or
> > > > - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home"
> > > > depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the
> > current
> > > > > menus:
> > > > > > - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we
> > are
> > > > in
> > > > > a
> > > > > > (sub)wiki? Does it make sense?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate
> > both
> > > > the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the
> > > current
> > > > > > wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main"
> and
> > > > > several
> > > > > > "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine,
> in
> > > the
> > > > > > future, a new implementation where there is no distinction
> between
> > > > "main"
> > > > > > and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows
> > the
> > > > > users
> > > > > > to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call
> the
> > > > menu
> > > > > > "System" or "XWiki".
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu
> > > displays
> > > > the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with
> > the
> > > > way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.)
> > > >
> > > > > - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only
> have a
> > > > > > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more
> > > > > content.
> > > > > > It does not look good.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > In the proposal there is
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
> > > > Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could
> > > also
> > > > list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory"
> > (especially
> > > > since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located
> in
> > > the
> > > > main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a
> > > > consistency between the index/directory applications naming.
> > > >
> > > > So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the
> submenu,
> > > we
> > > > could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki"
> > twice:
> > > > > once
> > > > > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu.
> > > > > > - The left menu has too many items.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from
> > > > * Menu in the (sub)wiki
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
> > > > in
> > > > * Menu in the Home (mainwiki)
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png
> > > >
> > > > The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of
> > content'
> > > > inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > == Proposal B ==
> > > > > > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2,
> > so
> > > we
> > > > > > started to iterate until having this proposal:
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(proposal
> > > > > > B).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the
> left
> > > > side,
> > > > > we
> > > > > > have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can
> actually
> > > > > achieve
> > > > > > on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer",
> "Delete"
> > or
> > > > > > "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it
> > just
> > > > > > provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more
> a
> > > > > "System"
> > > > > > menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why
> we
> > > put
> > > > it
> > > > > > there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less
> > > > confusing.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content
> organization
> > > > hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page.
> > > > You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content ||
> User".
> > > The
> > > > "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your
> > location
> > > in
> > > > the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related
> > > actions.
> > > >
> > > > Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to
> customize
> > > > their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it
> their
> > > > own.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > == Proposal C ==
> > > > > > We had also this idea:
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
> > > > > > But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main
> > > Wiki"
> > > > > > link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like
> > > > > > "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Crowded and serves as a double function.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ---
> > > > > > After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What
> should
> > I
> > > > do?
> > > > > Do
> > > > > > I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes,
> > because
> > > he
> > > > > > wanted to have something to show to the community that can still
> be
> > > > > changed
> > > > > > for the RC1, and he applied the pull request.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal):
> > > > > > Current implementation:
> > > > > >
> > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> > > > > > Mockup with the new skin:
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/MenuPortal.png
> > > > > >
> > > > > > B - "XWiki" right menu:
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
> > > > > >
> > > > > > C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu:
> > > > > >
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion,
> > > > > regarding
> > > > > > one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must
> > > have
> > > > a
> > > > > > consensus for the RC1!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy).
> > > > > > +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO).
> > > > > > -1 for proposal C.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed:
> > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
> > > >
> > > > (Wiki / (sub)wiki)
> > > > * Home
> > > > ** Administration
> > > > ** ---
> > > > ** Wikis Index/Directory
> > > > ** Documents Index
> > > >
> > > > (Home/mainwiki)
> > > > * Home
> > > > ** Watch Home
> > > > ** Administer Home
> > > > ** ---
> > > > ** Wikis Index
> > > > ** Documents Index
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Caty
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > Louis-Marie
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
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Re: [Proposals] Menu improvements when Workspaces activated

Marius Dumitru Florea
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On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi developers.
>
> Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate Workspace in
> XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA:
> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when Workspaces
> activated".
>
> The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which was
> scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I have
> also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work.
>
> == Proposal A ==
> There is some screenshots (Proposal A):
> Logged as admin:
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> Not logged as admin:
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin.png
>
> You can get it from this commit:
> https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249382e3d2c4138
> (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot)
>
> We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the current menus:
> - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are in a
> (sub)wiki? Does it make sense?

> - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the current
> wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and several
> "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in the
> future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between "main"
> and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the users
> to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the menu
> "System" or "XWiki".

I don't agree with this kind of reasoning. Let's not create a UI for a
model that is not yet implemented and that we don't know when it will
be implemented. XWIki UI evolves with the project and so we will adapt
the UI to match the model whenever we change the model. Right now the
main wiki is special so it's fine if the UI makes a distinction
between it and the rest of the (sub)wikis.


> - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a
> single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more content.
> It does not look good.

A menu on the left with a single entry looks as good as a menu on the
right with a single entry.

> - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" twice: once
> in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu.
> - The left menu has too many items.
>
> == Proposal B ==
> Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, so we
> started to iterate until having this proposal:
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(proposal
> B).
>
> Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left side, we
> have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually achieve
> on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" or
> "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just
> provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a "System"
> menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we put it
> there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less confusing.
>
> == Proposal C ==
> We had also this idea:
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposal C)
> But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main Wiki"
> link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like
> "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are.
>
> ---
> After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I do? Do
> I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because he
> wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be changed
> for the RC1, and he applied the pull request.
>
> So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have:
>
> A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal):
> Current implementation:
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> Mockup with the new skin:
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/MenuPortal.png
>
> B - "XWiki" right menu:
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
>
> C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu:
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png
>
> I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, regarding
> one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must have a
> consensus for the RC1!
>
>  0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy).
> +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO).
> -1 for proposal C.
>
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Re: [Proposals] Menu improvements when Workspaces activated

Marius Dumitru Florea
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Same as Denis.

+1 for E (Caty's proposal). I don't like the rest.

Thanks,
Marius

On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Denis Gervalle <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi devs,
>
> Here is my views on the current proposals:
>
> Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".
>
>
> -0, terms and menu options are not as appropriate as E, the duplication at
> main level is confusing.
>
> Proposal B : XWiki right side menu
>
>
> -1, please do not mix users and content. From end user POV, I am not sure
> XWiki, System or whatever could have any sense.
>
> Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu
>
>
> 0, could be a light way to do it, but prevent direct access to user
> administration, this is looks like a farm version.
>
> Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.
>
>
> -1, the logo could be customized or even removed, keeping the menu is
> usually easy, but keeping the logo and these functions could quickly became
> a nightmare on a customized site. Moreover, it also prevent direct user
> administration.
>
> Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.
>
>
> +1, this is my favorite right now, especially looking at the upcoming skin
> when the "Add" menu will be moved out of the top bar.
>
> I do not understand why we would like to hide the fact that the main wiki
> is "on top" of others wikis. This is currently true technically speaking,
> but it also make sense from a user and content POV. When used in the
> workspace configuration, the main wiki will hold the users but also the
> main home and welcome pages, the navigation between workspaces, the global
> activity stream, ... it is the entry point, the portal for all the
> subwikis. The only case where the main wiki get almost useless is in the
> farm configuration, but this is not our subject here.
>
> Therefore, I see proposal E as the one that represent real hierarchy
> properly for the end user.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Hi.
>>
>> Seems RC1 is soon, I encourage everybody to give his point of view in order
>> to make a choice.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Guillaume
>>
>>
>> 2013/9/12 Jeremie BOUSQUET <[hidden email]>
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> >
>> > 2013/9/12 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[hidden email]>
>> >
>> > > Indeed, the proposal A was based on
>> > >
>> >
>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead
>> > > of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu .
>> > >
>> > > Then I suggest to call your proposal: E.
>> > >
>> > > Let me recap:
>> > >
>> > > - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".
>> > >
>> > > - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu
>> > >
>> > > - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu
>> > >
>> > > - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.
>> > >
>> > > - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > >
>> > > About E:
>> > > Some issues IMHO:
>> > > - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and
>> > > when you are in the subwiki.
>> > > - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users
>> > and
>> > > the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it
>> > be
>> > > confusing?
>> > >
>> >
>> > I would say: it depends.
>> > In "farm" concept it's almost completely useless, because different
>> persons
>> > will administrate different subwikis of their own and someone else will
>> > administrate main wiki.
>> > In "workspace" concept, I find very useful to be able to administrate
>> main
>> > wiki without having to browse to main wiki, because I may find myself
>> > wanting to administer main wiki just anytime, while I administer a
>> subwiki
>> > merely to manage users allowed in this subwiki ... and, yes, install
>> > extensions and choose a color theme.
>> >
>> > To be honest, I use 5.1 + Workspace extension, and I hardly have any
>> issue
>> > with navigating through wikis, administering this or that etc ... The
>> only
>> > thing I would miss, are some quick links to switch to a wiki or the other
>> > (instead of having to browse to a "Workspace directory" page), but this
>> > kind of thing does not really scale with numerous wikis.
>> >
>> > I like Vincent's idea to tweak the home logo, as I never quite liked the
>> > idea of a "Home" menu - home in websites is typically the homepage, and
>> > nothing else.
>> >
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Thanks,
>> > > Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[hidden email]>
>> > >
>> > > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]>
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > You forgot one proposal which I like:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > == Proposal D ==
>> > > > >
>> > > > > * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left)
>> > > > > * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current
>> wiki
>> > > > > * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow
>> navigating
>> > > > > either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other
>> > wikis
>> > > > > * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover
>> over
>> > > the
>> > > > > logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with
>> first
>> > > > entry
>> > > > > = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry
>> with
>> > > > "Wiki
>> > > > > Index" for example.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the
>> > logo
>> > > as
>> > > > > a way to navigate to the home of wiki.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Thanks
>> > > > > -Vincent
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau <
>> > > > > [hidden email]> wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > Hi developers.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate
>> > > > Workspace
>> > > > > in
>> > > > > > XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA:
>> > > > > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when
>> > > > > Workspaces
>> > > > > > activated".
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2
>> (which
>> > > was
>> > > > > > scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull
>> request.
>> > I
>> > > > have
>> > > > > > also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > == Proposal A ==
>> > > > > > There is some screenshots (Proposal A):
>> > > > > > Logged as admin:
>> > > > > >
>> > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
>> > > > > > Not logged as admin:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin.png
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > You can get it from this commit:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249382e3d2c4138
>> > > > > > (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot)
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal
>> > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
>> > > >
>> > > > In your screenshot is:
>> > > > * Home
>> > > > ** Administer Main Wiki
>> > > > ** Wiki Directory
>> > > >
>> > > > What it was proposed:
>> > > > * Home
>> > > > ** Administration
>> > > > ** Wikis Index
>> > > > ** ....
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png
>> > > >
>> > > > "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as:
>> > > > - "Administration"
>> > > > or
>> > > > - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home"
>> > > > depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > > > We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the
>> > current
>> > > > > menus:
>> > > > > > - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we
>> > are
>> > > > in
>> > > > > a
>> > > > > > (sub)wiki? Does it make sense?
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate
>> > both
>> > > > the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki).
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > > > - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the
>> > > current
>> > > > > > wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main"
>> and
>> > > > > several
>> > > > > > "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine,
>> in
>> > > the
>> > > > > > future, a new implementation where there is no distinction
>> between
>> > > > "main"
>> > > > > > and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows
>> > the
>> > > > > users
>> > > > > > to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call
>> the
>> > > > menu
>> > > > > > "System" or "XWiki".
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu
>> > > displays
>> > > > the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with
>> > the
>> > > > way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.)
>> > > >
>> > > > > - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only
>> have a
>> > > > > > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more
>> > > > > content.
>> > > > > > It does not look good.
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > In the proposal there is
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
>> > > > Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could
>> > > also
>> > > > list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory"
>> > (especially
>> > > > since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located
>> in
>> > > the
>> > > > main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a
>> > > > consistency between the index/directory applications naming.
>> > > >
>> > > > So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the
>> submenu,
>> > > we
>> > > > could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)).
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > > > - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki"
>> > twice:
>> > > > > once
>> > > > > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu.
>> > > > > > - The left menu has too many items.
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from
>> > > > * Menu in the (sub)wiki
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
>> > > > in
>> > > > * Menu in the Home (mainwiki)
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png
>> > > >
>> > > > The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of
>> > content'
>> > > > inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages)
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > == Proposal B ==
>> > > > > > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2,
>> > so
>> > > we
>> > > > > > started to iterate until having this proposal:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(proposal
>> > > > > > B).
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the
>> left
>> > > > side,
>> > > > > we
>> > > > > > have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can
>> actually
>> > > > > achieve
>> > > > > > on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer",
>> "Delete"
>> > or
>> > > > > > "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it
>> > just
>> > > > > > provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more
>> a
>> > > > > "System"
>> > > > > > menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why
>> we
>> > > put
>> > > > it
>> > > > > > there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less
>> > > > confusing.
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content
>> organization
>> > > > hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page.
>> > > > You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content ||
>> User".
>> > > The
>> > > > "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your
>> > location
>> > > in
>> > > > the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related
>> > > actions.
>> > > >
>> > > > Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to
>> customize
>> > > > their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it
>> their
>> > > > own.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > == Proposal C ==
>> > > > > > We had also this idea:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
>> > > > > > But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main
>> > > Wiki"
>> > > > > > link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like
>> > > > > > "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are.
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Crowded and serves as a double function.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > ---
>> > > > > > After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What
>> should
>> > I
>> > > > do?
>> > > > > Do
>> > > > > > I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes,
>> > because
>> > > he
>> > > > > > wanted to have something to show to the community that can still
>> be
>> > > > > changed
>> > > > > > for the RC1, and he applied the pull request.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal):
>> > > > > > Current implementation:
>> > > > > >
>> > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
>> > > > > > Mockup with the new skin:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/MenuPortal.png
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > B - "XWiki" right menu:
>> > > > > >
>> > > >
>> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu:
>> > > > > >
>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion,
>> > > > > regarding
>> > > > > > one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must
>> > > have
>> > > > a
>> > > > > > consensus for the RC1!
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy).
>> > > > > > +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO).
>> > > > > > -1 for proposal C.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed:
>> > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
>> > > >
>> > > > (Wiki / (sub)wiki)
>> > > > * Home
>> > > > ** Administration
>> > > > ** ---
>> > > > ** Wikis Index/Directory
>> > > > ** Documents Index
>> > > >
>> > > > (Home/mainwiki)
>> > > > * Home
>> > > > ** Watch Home
>> > > > ** Administer Home
>> > > > ** ---
>> > > > ** Wikis Index
>> > > > ** Documents Index
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks,
>> > > > Caty
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > > > Louis-Marie
>> > > > > > _______________________________________________
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Re: [Proposals] Menu improvements when Workspaces activated

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+1 for E

On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Marius Dumitru Florea
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> Same as Denis.
>
> +1 for E (Caty's proposal). I don't like the rest.
>
> Thanks,
> Marius
>
> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Denis Gervalle <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hi devs,
>>
>> Here is my views on the current proposals:
>>
>> Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".
>>
>>
>> -0, terms and menu options are not as appropriate as E, the duplication at
>> main level is confusing.
>>
>> Proposal B : XWiki right side menu
>>
>>
>> -1, please do not mix users and content. From end user POV, I am not sure
>> XWiki, System or whatever could have any sense.
>>
>> Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu
>>
>>
>> 0, could be a light way to do it, but prevent direct access to user
>> administration, this is looks like a farm version.
>>
>> Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.
>>
>>
>> -1, the logo could be customized or even removed, keeping the menu is
>> usually easy, but keeping the logo and these functions could quickly became
>> a nightmare on a customized site. Moreover, it also prevent direct user
>> administration.
>>
>> Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.
>>
>>
>> +1, this is my favorite right now, especially looking at the upcoming skin
>> when the "Add" menu will be moved out of the top bar.
>>
>> I do not understand why we would like to hide the fact that the main wiki
>> is "on top" of others wikis. This is currently true technically speaking,
>> but it also make sense from a user and content POV. When used in the
>> workspace configuration, the main wiki will hold the users but also the
>> main home and welcome pages, the navigation between workspaces, the global
>> activity stream, ... it is the entry point, the portal for all the
>> subwikis. The only case where the main wiki get almost useless is in the
>> farm configuration, but this is not our subject here.
>>
>> Therefore, I see proposal E as the one that represent real hierarchy
>> properly for the end user.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <
>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi.
>>>
>>> Seems RC1 is soon, I encourage everybody to give his point of view in order
>>> to make a choice.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Guillaume
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/9/12 Jeremie BOUSQUET <[hidden email]>
>>>
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 2013/9/12 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[hidden email]>
>>> >
>>> > > Indeed, the proposal A was based on
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead
>>> > > of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu .
>>> > >
>>> > > Then I suggest to call your proposal: E.
>>> > >
>>> > > Let me recap:
>>> > >
>>> > > - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".
>>> > >
>>> > > - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu
>>> > >
>>> > > - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu
>>> > >
>>> > > - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.
>>> > >
>>> > > - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.
>>> > >
>>> > > --
>>> > >
>>> > > About E:
>>> > > Some issues IMHO:
>>> > > - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and
>>> > > when you are in the subwiki.
>>> > > - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users
>>> > and
>>> > > the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it
>>> > be
>>> > > confusing?
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> > I would say: it depends.
>>> > In "farm" concept it's almost completely useless, because different
>>> persons
>>> > will administrate different subwikis of their own and someone else will
>>> > administrate main wiki.
>>> > In "workspace" concept, I find very useful to be able to administrate
>>> main
>>> > wiki without having to browse to main wiki, because I may find myself
>>> > wanting to administer main wiki just anytime, while I administer a
>>> subwiki
>>> > merely to manage users allowed in this subwiki ... and, yes, install
>>> > extensions and choose a color theme.
>>> >
>>> > To be honest, I use 5.1 + Workspace extension, and I hardly have any
>>> issue
>>> > with navigating through wikis, administering this or that etc ... The
>>> only
>>> > thing I would miss, are some quick links to switch to a wiki or the other
>>> > (instead of having to browse to a "Workspace directory" page), but this
>>> > kind of thing does not really scale with numerous wikis.
>>> >
>>> > I like Vincent's idea to tweak the home logo, as I never quite liked the
>>> > idea of a "Home" menu - home in websites is typically the homepage, and
>>> > nothing else.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > >
>>> > > Thanks,
>>> > > Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[hidden email]>
>>> > >
>>> > > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]>
>>> > > > wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > > You forgot one proposal which I like:
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > == Proposal D ==
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left)
>>> > > > > * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current
>>> wiki
>>> > > > > * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow
>>> navigating
>>> > > > > either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other
>>> > wikis
>>> > > > > * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover
>>> over
>>> > > the
>>> > > > > logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with
>>> first
>>> > > > entry
>>> > > > > = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry
>>> with
>>> > > > "Wiki
>>> > > > > Index" for example.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the
>>> > logo
>>> > > as
>>> > > > > a way to navigate to the home of wiki.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Thanks
>>> > > > > -Vincent
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau <
>>> > > > > [hidden email]> wrote:
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > > Hi developers.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate
>>> > > > Workspace
>>> > > > > in
>>> > > > > > XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA:
>>> > > > > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when
>>> > > > > Workspaces
>>> > > > > > activated".
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2
>>> (which
>>> > > was
>>> > > > > > scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull
>>> request.
>>> > I
>>> > > > have
>>> > > > > > also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > == Proposal A ==
>>> > > > > > There is some screenshots (Proposal A):
>>> > > > > > Logged as admin:
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
>>> > > > > > Not logged as admin:
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin.png
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > You can get it from this commit:
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249382e3d2c4138
>>> > > > > > (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot)
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal
>>> > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
>>> > > >
>>> > > > In your screenshot is:
>>> > > > * Home
>>> > > > ** Administer Main Wiki
>>> > > > ** Wiki Directory
>>> > > >
>>> > > > What it was proposed:
>>> > > > * Home
>>> > > > ** Administration
>>> > > > ** Wikis Index
>>> > > > ** ....
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png
>>> > > >
>>> > > > "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as:
>>> > > > - "Administration"
>>> > > > or
>>> > > > - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home"
>>> > > > depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki.
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > > > We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the
>>> > current
>>> > > > > menus:
>>> > > > > > - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we
>>> > are
>>> > > > in
>>> > > > > a
>>> > > > > > (sub)wiki? Does it make sense?
>>> > > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate
>>> > both
>>> > > > the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki).
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > > > - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the
>>> > > current
>>> > > > > > wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main"
>>> and
>>> > > > > several
>>> > > > > > "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine,
>>> in
>>> > > the
>>> > > > > > future, a new implementation where there is no distinction
>>> between
>>> > > > "main"
>>> > > > > > and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows
>>> > the
>>> > > > > users
>>> > > > > > to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call
>>> the
>>> > > > menu
>>> > > > > > "System" or "XWiki".
>>> > > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu
>>> > > displays
>>> > > > the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with
>>> > the
>>> > > > way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.)
>>> > > >
>>> > > > > - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only
>>> have a
>>> > > > > > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more
>>> > > > > content.
>>> > > > > > It does not look good.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > In the proposal there is
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
>>> > > > Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could
>>> > > also
>>> > > > list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory"
>>> > (especially
>>> > > > since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located
>>> in
>>> > > the
>>> > > > main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a
>>> > > > consistency between the index/directory applications naming.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the
>>> submenu,
>>> > > we
>>> > > > could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)).
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > > > - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki"
>>> > twice:
>>> > > > > once
>>> > > > > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu.
>>> > > > > > - The left menu has too many items.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from
>>> > > > * Menu in the (sub)wiki
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
>>> > > > in
>>> > > > * Menu in the Home (mainwiki)
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png
>>> > > >
>>> > > > The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of
>>> > content'
>>> > > > inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages)
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > == Proposal B ==
>>> > > > > > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2,
>>> > so
>>> > > we
>>> > > > > > started to iterate until having this proposal:
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(proposal
>>> > > > > > B).
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the
>>> left
>>> > > > side,
>>> > > > > we
>>> > > > > > have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can
>>> actually
>>> > > > > achieve
>>> > > > > > on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer",
>>> "Delete"
>>> > or
>>> > > > > > "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it
>>> > just
>>> > > > > > provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more
>>> a
>>> > > > > "System"
>>> > > > > > menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why
>>> we
>>> > > put
>>> > > > it
>>> > > > > > there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less
>>> > > > confusing.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content
>>> organization
>>> > > > hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page.
>>> > > > You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content ||
>>> User".
>>> > > The
>>> > > > "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your
>>> > location
>>> > > in
>>> > > > the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related
>>> > > actions.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to
>>> customize
>>> > > > their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it
>>> their
>>> > > > own.
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > == Proposal C ==
>>> > > > > > We had also this idea:
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
>>> > > > > > But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main
>>> > > Wiki"
>>> > > > > > link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like
>>> > > > > > "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Crowded and serves as a double function.
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > ---
>>> > > > > > After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What
>>> should
>>> > I
>>> > > > do?
>>> > > > > Do
>>> > > > > > I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes,
>>> > because
>>> > > he
>>> > > > > > wanted to have something to show to the community that can still
>>> be
>>> > > > > changed
>>> > > > > > for the RC1, and he applied the pull request.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have:
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal):
>>> > > > > > Current implementation:
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
>>> > > > > > Mockup with the new skin:
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/MenuPortal.png
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > B - "XWiki" right menu:
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu:
>>> > > > > >
>>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion,
>>> > > > > regarding
>>> > > > > > one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must
>>> > > have
>>> > > > a
>>> > > > > > consensus for the RC1!
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy).
>>> > > > > > +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO).
>>> > > > > > -1 for proposal C.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed:
>>> > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
>>> > > >
>>> > > > (Wiki / (sub)wiki)
>>> > > > * Home
>>> > > > ** Administration
>>> > > > ** ---
>>> > > > ** Wikis Index/Directory
>>> > > > ** Documents Index
>>> > > >
>>> > > > (Home/mainwiki)
>>> > > > * Home
>>> > > > ** Watch Home
>>> > > > ** Administer Home
>>> > > > ** ---
>>> > > > ** Wikis Index
>>> > > > ** Documents Index
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Thanks,
>>> > > > Caty
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > > > Louis-Marie
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Re: [Proposals] Menu improvements when Workspaces activated

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In reply to this post by Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau
To summarize my position:

On Sep 12, 2013, at 2:39 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Indeed, the proposal A was based on
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenu instead
> of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu .
>
> Then I suggest to call your proposal: E.
>
> Let me recap:
>
> - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".

-1

> - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu

+1

> - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu

-1
 
> - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.

+1

> - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.

+0 because I don't want to block this option that almost everyone seems to like.

FTR what I still don't like with it:
* There are various number of menus depending on whether you're on the main wiki or in a subwiki. I find it confusing.
* I don't see the rationale for being able to do all wiki-level actions on the main wiki when you're in a subwiki.

Thanks
-Vincent

> --
>
> About E:
> Some issues IMHO:
> - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and
> when you are in the subwiki.
> - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users and
> the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it be
> confusing?
>
> Thanks,
> Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
>
>
>
> 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[hidden email]>
>
>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You forgot one proposal which I like:
>>>
>>> == Proposal D ==
>>>
>>> * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left)
>>> * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki
>>> * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating
>>> either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other wikis
>>> * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over the
>>> logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first
>> entry
>>> = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with
>> "Wiki
>>> Index" for example.
>>>
>>> What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the logo as
>>> a way to navigate to the home of wiki.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Vincent
>>>
>>> On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau <
>>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi developers.
>>>>
>>>> Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate
>> Workspace
>>> in
>>>> XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA:
>>>> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when
>>> Workspaces
>>>> activated".
>>>>
>>>> The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which was
>>>> scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I
>> have
>>>> also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work.
>>>>
>>>> == Proposal A ==
>>>> There is some screenshots (Proposal A):
>>>> Logged as admin:
>>>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
>>>> Not logged as admin:
>>>>
>>>
>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin.png
>>>>
>>>> You can get it from this commit:
>>>>
>>>
>> https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249382e3d2c4138
>>>> (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot)
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal
>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
>>
>> In your screenshot is:
>> * Home
>> ** Administer Main Wiki
>> ** Wiki Directory
>>
>> What it was proposed:
>> * Home
>> ** Administration
>> ** Wikis Index
>> ** ....
>>
>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
>>
>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png
>>
>> "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as:
>> - "Administration"
>> or
>> - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home"
>> depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki.
>>
>>
>>>> We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the current
>>> menus:
>>>> - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are
>> in
>>> a
>>>> (sub)wiki? Does it make sense?
>>>
>>
>> As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate both
>> the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki).
>>
>>
>>>> - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the current
>>>> wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and
>>> several
>>>> "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in the
>>>> future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between
>> "main"
>>>> and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the
>>> users
>>>> to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the
>> menu
>>>> "System" or "XWiki".
>>>
>>
>> The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu displays
>> the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with the
>> way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.)
>>
>>> - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a
>>>> single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more
>>> content.
>>>> It does not look good.
>>>
>>
>> In the proposal there is
>>
>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
>> Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could also
>> list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" (especially
>> since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in the
>> main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a
>> consistency between the index/directory applications naming.
>>
>> So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu, we
>> could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)).
>>
>>
>>>> - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" twice:
>>> once
>>>> in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu.
>>>> - The left menu has too many items.
>>>
>>
>> If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from
>> * Menu in the (sub)wiki
>>
>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
>> in
>> * Menu in the Home (mainwiki)
>>
>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png
>>
>> The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of content'
>> inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages)
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> == Proposal B ==
>>>> Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, so we
>>>> started to iterate until having this proposal:
>>>>
>>>
>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(proposal
>>>> B).
>>>>
>>>> Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left
>> side,
>>> we
>>>> have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually
>>> achieve
>>>> on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" or
>>>> "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just
>>>> provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a
>>> "System"
>>>> menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we put
>> it
>>>> there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less
>> confusing.
>>>
>>
>> I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization
>> hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page.
>> You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User". The
>> "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your location in
>> the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related actions.
>>
>> Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize
>> their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their
>> own.
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> == Proposal C ==
>>>> We had also this idea:
>>>>
>>>
>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
>>>> But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main Wiki"
>>>> link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like
>>>> "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are.
>>>
>>
>> Crowded and serves as a double function.
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I
>> do?
>>> Do
>>>> I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because he
>>>> wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be
>>> changed
>>>> for the RC1, and he applied the pull request.
>>>>
>>>> So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have:
>>>>
>>>> A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal):
>>>> Current implementation:
>>>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
>>>> Mockup with the new skin:
>>>>
>>>
>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/MenuPortal.png
>>>>
>>>> B - "XWiki" right menu:
>>>>
>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
>>>>
>>>> C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu:
>>>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png
>>>>
>>>> I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion,
>>> regarding
>>>> one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must have
>> a
>>>> consensus for the RC1!
>>>>
>>>> 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy).
>>>> +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO).
>>>> -1 for proposal C.
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed:
>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
>>
>> (Wiki / (sub)wiki)
>> * Home
>> ** Administration
>> ** ---
>> ** Wikis Index/Directory
>> ** Documents Index
>>
>> (Home/mainwiki)
>> * Home
>> ** Watch Home
>> ** Administer Home
>> ** ---
>> ** Wikis Index
>> ** Documents Index
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Caty

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Re: [Proposals] Menu improvements when Workspaces activated

Silvia Rusu
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Hi!

I like Proposal E the best, so +1 for E.

Thanks,
Silvia

On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi.
>
> Seems RC1 is soon, I encourage everybody to give his point of view in order
> to make a choice.
>
> Thanks,
> Guillaume
>
>
> 2013/9/12 Jeremie BOUSQUET <[hidden email]>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> 2013/9/12 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[hidden email]>
>>
>> > Indeed, the proposal A was based on
>> >
>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead
>> > of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu .
>> >
>> > Then I suggest to call your proposal: E.
>> >
>> > Let me recap:
>> >
>> > - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".
>> >
>> > - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu
>> >
>> > - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu
>> >
>> > - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.
>> >
>> > - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > About E:
>> > Some issues IMHO:
>> > - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and
>> > when you are in the subwiki.
>> > - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users
>> and
>> > the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it
>> be
>> > confusing?
>> >
>>
>> I would say: it depends.
>> In "farm" concept it's almost completely useless, because different persons
>> will administrate different subwikis of their own and someone else will
>> administrate main wiki.
>> In "workspace" concept, I find very useful to be able to administrate main
>> wiki without having to browse to main wiki, because I may find myself
>> wanting to administer main wiki just anytime, while I administer a subwiki
>> merely to manage users allowed in this subwiki ... and, yes, install
>> extensions and choose a color theme.
>>
>> To be honest, I use 5.1 + Workspace extension, and I hardly have any issue
>> with navigating through wikis, administering this or that etc ... The only
>> thing I would miss, are some quick links to switch to a wiki or the other
>> (instead of having to browse to a "Workspace directory" page), but this
>> kind of thing does not really scale with numerous wikis.
>>
>> I like Vincent's idea to tweak the home logo, as I never quite liked the
>> idea of a "Home" menu - home in websites is typically the homepage, and
>> nothing else.
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[hidden email]>
>> >
>> > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > You forgot one proposal which I like:
>> > > >
>> > > > == Proposal D ==
>> > > >
>> > > > * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left)
>> > > > * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki
>> > > > * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating
>> > > > either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other
>> wikis
>> > > > * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over
>> > the
>> > > > logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first
>> > > entry
>> > > > = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with
>> > > "Wiki
>> > > > Index" for example.
>> > > >
>> > > > What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the
>> logo
>> > as
>> > > > a way to navigate to the home of wiki.
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks
>> > > > -Vincent
>> > > >
>> > > > On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau <
>> > > > [hidden email]> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Hi developers.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate
>> > > Workspace
>> > > > in
>> > > > > XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA:
>> > > > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when
>> > > > Workspaces
>> > > > > activated".
>> > > > >
>> > > > > The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which
>> > was
>> > > > > scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request.
>> I
>> > > have
>> > > > > also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > == Proposal A ==
>> > > > > There is some screenshots (Proposal A):
>> > > > > Logged as admin:
>> > > > >
>> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
>> > > > > Not logged as admin:
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin.png
>> > > > >
>> > > > > You can get it from this commit:
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249382e3d2c4138
>> > > > > (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot)
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal
>> > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
>> > >
>> > > In your screenshot is:
>> > > * Home
>> > > ** Administer Main Wiki
>> > > ** Wiki Directory
>> > >
>> > > What it was proposed:
>> > > * Home
>> > > ** Administration
>> > > ** Wikis Index
>> > > ** ....
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png
>> > >
>> > > "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as:
>> > > - "Administration"
>> > > or
>> > > - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home"
>> > > depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > > We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the
>> current
>> > > > menus:
>> > > > > - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we
>> are
>> > > in
>> > > > a
>> > > > > (sub)wiki? Does it make sense?
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate
>> both
>> > > the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki).
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > > - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the
>> > current
>> > > > > wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and
>> > > > several
>> > > > > "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in
>> > the
>> > > > > future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between
>> > > "main"
>> > > > > and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows
>> the
>> > > > users
>> > > > > to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the
>> > > menu
>> > > > > "System" or "XWiki".
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu
>> > displays
>> > > the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with
>> the
>> > > way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.)
>> > >
>> > > > - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a
>> > > > > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more
>> > > > content.
>> > > > > It does not look good.
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > In the proposal there is
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
>> > > Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could
>> > also
>> > > list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory"
>> (especially
>> > > since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in
>> > the
>> > > main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a
>> > > consistency between the index/directory applications naming.
>> > >
>> > > So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu,
>> > we
>> > > could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)).
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > > - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki"
>> twice:
>> > > > once
>> > > > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu.
>> > > > > - The left menu has too many items.
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from
>> > > * Menu in the (sub)wiki
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
>> > > in
>> > > * Menu in the Home (mainwiki)
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png
>> > >
>> > > The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of
>> content'
>> > > inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > == Proposal B ==
>> > > > > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2,
>> so
>> > we
>> > > > > started to iterate until having this proposal:
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(proposal
>> > > > > B).
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left
>> > > side,
>> > > > we
>> > > > > have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually
>> > > > achieve
>> > > > > on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete"
>> or
>> > > > > "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it
>> just
>> > > > > provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a
>> > > > "System"
>> > > > > menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we
>> > put
>> > > it
>> > > > > there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less
>> > > confusing.
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization
>> > > hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page.
>> > > You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User".
>> > The
>> > > "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your
>> location
>> > in
>> > > the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related
>> > actions.
>> > >
>> > > Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize
>> > > their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their
>> > > own.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > == Proposal C ==
>> > > > > We had also this idea:
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
>> > > > > But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main
>> > Wiki"
>> > > > > link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like
>> > > > > "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are.
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > Crowded and serves as a double function.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > ---
>> > > > > After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should
>> I
>> > > do?
>> > > > Do
>> > > > > I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes,
>> because
>> > he
>> > > > > wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be
>> > > > changed
>> > > > > for the RC1, and he applied the pull request.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal):
>> > > > > Current implementation:
>> > > > >
>> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
>> > > > > Mockup with the new skin:
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/MenuPortal.png
>> > > > >
>> > > > > B - "XWiki" right menu:
>> > > > >
>> > >
>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
>> > > > >
>> > > > > C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu:
>> > > > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion,
>> > > > regarding
>> > > > > one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must
>> > have
>> > > a
>> > > > > consensus for the RC1!
>> > > > >
>> > > > > 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy).
>> > > > > +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO).
>> > > > > -1 for proposal C.
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed:
>> > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
>> > >
>> > > (Wiki / (sub)wiki)
>> > > * Home
>> > > ** Administration
>> > > ** ---
>> > > ** Wikis Index/Directory
>> > > ** Documents Index
>> > >
>> > > (Home/mainwiki)
>> > > * Home
>> > > ** Watch Home
>> > > ** Administer Home
>> > > ** ---
>> > > ** Wikis Index
>> > > ** Documents Index
>> > >
>> > > Thanks,
>> > > Caty
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > > Louis-Marie
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Re: [Proposals] Menu improvements when Workspaces activated

sorinello
+1 for E

Regards,
Sorin B.


On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Silvia Rusu <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I like Proposal E the best, so +1 for E.
>
> Thanks,
> Silvia
>
> On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Hi.
> >
> > Seems RC1 is soon, I encourage everybody to give his point of view in
> order
> > to make a choice.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Guillaume
> >
> >
> > 2013/9/12 Jeremie BOUSQUET <[hidden email]>
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >>
> >> 2013/9/12 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[hidden email]>
> >>
> >> > Indeed, the proposal A was based on
> >> >
> >>
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead
> >> > of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu.
> >> >
> >> > Then I suggest to call your proposal: E.
> >> >
> >> > Let me recap:
> >> >
> >> > - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".
> >> >
> >> > - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu
> >> >
> >> > - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu
> >> >
> >> > - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.
> >> >
> >> > - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> >
> >> > About E:
> >> > Some issues IMHO:
> >> > - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki
> and
> >> > when you are in the subwiki.
> >> > - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the
> users
> >> and
> >> > the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't
> it
> >> be
> >> > confusing?
> >> >
> >>
> >> I would say: it depends.
> >> In "farm" concept it's almost completely useless, because different
> persons
> >> will administrate different subwikis of their own and someone else will
> >> administrate main wiki.
> >> In "workspace" concept, I find very useful to be able to administrate
> main
> >> wiki without having to browse to main wiki, because I may find myself
> >> wanting to administer main wiki just anytime, while I administer a
> subwiki
> >> merely to manage users allowed in this subwiki ... and, yes, install
> >> extensions and choose a color theme.
> >>
> >> To be honest, I use 5.1 + Workspace extension, and I hardly have any
> issue
> >> with navigating through wikis, administering this or that etc ... The
> only
> >> thing I would miss, are some quick links to switch to a wiki or the
> other
> >> (instead of having to browse to a "Workspace directory" page), but this
> >> kind of thing does not really scale with numerous wikis.
> >>
> >> I like Vincent's idea to tweak the home logo, as I never quite liked the
> >> idea of a "Home" menu - home in websites is typically the homepage, and
> >> nothing else.
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[hidden email]>
> >> >
> >> > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]
> >
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > You forgot one proposal which I like:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > == Proposal D ==
> >> > > >
> >> > > > * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left)
> >> > > > * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current
> wiki
> >> > > > * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow
> navigating
> >> > > > either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other
> >> wikis
> >> > > > * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover
> over
> >> > the
> >> > > > logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with
> first
> >> > > entry
> >> > > > = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry
> with
> >> > > "Wiki
> >> > > > Index" for example.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the
> >> logo
> >> > as
> >> > > > a way to navigate to the home of wiki.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Thanks
> >> > > > -Vincent
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau <
> >> > > > [hidden email]> wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Hi developers.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate
> >> > > Workspace
> >> > > > in
> >> > > > > XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA:
> >> > > > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when
> >> > > > Workspaces
> >> > > > > activated".
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2
> (which
> >> > was
> >> > > > > scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull
> request.
> >> I
> >> > > have
> >> > > > > also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > == Proposal A ==
> >> > > > > There is some screenshots (Proposal A):
> >> > > > > Logged as admin:
> >> > > > >
> >> >
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> >> > > > > Not logged as admin:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin.png
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > You can get it from this commit:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249382e3d2c4138
> >> > > > > (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot)
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > > So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal
> >> > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
> >> > >
> >> > > In your screenshot is:
> >> > > * Home
> >> > > ** Administer Main Wiki
> >> > > ** Wiki Directory
> >> > >
> >> > > What it was proposed:
> >> > > * Home
> >> > > ** Administration
> >> > > ** Wikis Index
> >> > > ** ....
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png
> >> > >
> >> > > "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as:
> >> > > - "Administration"
> >> > > or
> >> > > - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home"
> >> > > depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > > We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the
> >> current
> >> > > > menus:
> >> > > > > - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when
> we
> >> are
> >> > > in
> >> > > > a
> >> > > > > (sub)wiki? Does it make sense?
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > > As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate
> >> both
> >> > > the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki).
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > > - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the
> >> > current
> >> > > > > wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main"
> and
> >> > > > several
> >> > > > > "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could
> imagine, in
> >> > the
> >> > > > > future, a new implementation where there is no distinction
> between
> >> > > "main"
> >> > > > > and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows
> >> the
> >> > > > users
> >> > > > > to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call
> the
> >> > > menu
> >> > > > > "System" or "XWiki".
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > > The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu
> >> > displays
> >> > > the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent
> with
> >> the
> >> > > way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.)
> >> > >
> >> > > > - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only
> have a
> >> > > > > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has
> more
> >> > > > content.
> >> > > > > It does not look good.
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > > In the proposal there is
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
> >> > > Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we
> could
> >> > also
> >> > > list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory"
> >> (especially
> >> > > since workspaces have only global users and the directory is
> located in
> >> > the
> >> > > main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have
> a
> >> > > consistency between the index/directory applications naming.
> >> > >
> >> > > So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the
> submenu,
> >> > we
> >> > > could have more entries (if they are related to the Home
> (mainwiki)).
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > > - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki"
> >> twice:
> >> > > > once
> >> > > > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu.
> >> > > > > - The left menu has too many items.
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > > If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from
> >> > > * Menu in the (sub)wiki
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
> >> > > in
> >> > > * Menu in the Home (mainwiki)
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png
> >> > >
> >> > > The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of
> >> content'
> >> > > inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages)
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > == Proposal B ==
> >> > > > > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in
> 5.2M2,
> >> so
> >> > we
> >> > > > > started to iterate until having this proposal:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(proposal
> >> > > > > B).
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the
> left
> >> > > side,
> >> > > > we
> >> > > > > have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can
> actually
> >> > > > achieve
> >> > > > > on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer",
> "Delete"
> >> or
> >> > > > > "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it
> >> just
> >> > > > > provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's
> more a
> >> > > > "System"
> >> > > > > menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why
> we
> >> > put
> >> > > it
> >> > > > > there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less
> >> > > confusing.
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > > I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content
> organization
> >> > > hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page.
> >> > > You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content ||
> User".
> >> > The
> >> > > "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your
> >> location
> >> > in
> >> > > the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related
> >> > actions.
> >> > >
> >> > > Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to
> customize
> >> > > their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it
> their
> >> > > own.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > == Proposal C ==
> >> > > > > We had also this idea:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
> >> > > > > But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the
> "Main
> >> > Wiki"
> >> > > > > link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like
> >> > > > > "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are.
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Crowded and serves as a double function.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > ---
> >> > > > > After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What
> should
> >> I
> >> > > do?
> >> > > > Do
> >> > > > > I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes,
> >> because
> >> > he
> >> > > > > wanted to have something to show to the community that can
> still be
> >> > > > changed
> >> > > > > for the RC1, and he applied the pull request.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal):
> >> > > > > Current implementation:
> >> > > > >
> >> >
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> >> > > > > Mockup with the new skin:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/MenuPortal.png
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > B - "XWiki" right menu:
> >> > > > >
> >> > >
> >> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu:
> >> > > > >
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion,
> >> > > > regarding
> >> > > > > one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We
> must
> >> > have
> >> > > a
> >> > > > > consensus for the RC1!
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy).
> >> > > > > +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO).
> >> > > > > -1 for proposal C.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > > So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed:
> >> > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
> >> > >
> >> > > (Wiki / (sub)wiki)
> >> > > * Home
> >> > > ** Administration
> >> > > ** ---
> >> > > ** Wikis Index/Directory
> >> > > ** Documents Index
> >> > >
> >> > > (Home/mainwiki)
> >> > > * Home
> >> > > ** Watch Home
> >> > > ** Administer Home
> >> > > ** ---
> >> > > ** Wikis Index
> >> > > ** Documents Index
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks,
> >> > > Caty
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > > Louis-Marie
> >> > > > > _______________________________________________
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Re: [Proposals] Menu improvements when Workspaces activated

Eduard Moraru
+1 for E. It's basically what Workspaces did from the start and that was
the whole point: navigation, hierarchy and consistency. I believe the first
users of Workspaces found it quite intuitive and nobody complained :)

Side Note: I'm also against the notion of "System" in the UI that's
recently being pushed.

Thanks,
Eduard


On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Sorin Burjan <[hidden email]>wrote:

> +1 for E
>
> Regards,
> Sorin B.
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Silvia Rusu <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi!
> >
> > I like Proposal E the best, so +1 for E.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Silvia
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau
> > <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > Hi.
> > >
> > > Seems RC1 is soon, I encourage everybody to give his point of view in
> > order
> > > to make a choice.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Guillaume
> > >
> > >
> > > 2013/9/12 Jeremie BOUSQUET <[hidden email]>
> > >
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> 2013/9/12 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[hidden email]>
> > >>
> > >> > Indeed, the proposal A was based on
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead
> > >> > of
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu.
> > >> >
> > >> > Then I suggest to call your proposal: E.
> > >> >
> > >> > Let me recap:
> > >> >
> > >> > - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".
> > >> >
> > >> > - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu
> > >> >
> > >> > - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu
> > >> >
> > >> > - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.
> > >> >
> > >> > - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> >
> > >> > About E:
> > >> > Some issues IMHO:
> > >> > - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki
> > and
> > >> > when you are in the subwiki.
> > >> > - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the
> > users
> > >> and
> > >> > the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't
> > it
> > >> be
> > >> > confusing?
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> I would say: it depends.
> > >> In "farm" concept it's almost completely useless, because different
> > persons
> > >> will administrate different subwikis of their own and someone else
> will
> > >> administrate main wiki.
> > >> In "workspace" concept, I find very useful to be able to administrate
> > main
> > >> wiki without having to browse to main wiki, because I may find myself
> > >> wanting to administer main wiki just anytime, while I administer a
> > subwiki
> > >> merely to manage users allowed in this subwiki ... and, yes, install
> > >> extensions and choose a color theme.
> > >>
> > >> To be honest, I use 5.1 + Workspace extension, and I hardly have any
> > issue
> > >> with navigating through wikis, administering this or that etc ... The
> > only
> > >> thing I would miss, are some quick links to switch to a wiki or the
> > other
> > >> (instead of having to browse to a "Workspace directory" page), but
> this
> > >> kind of thing does not really scale with numerous wikis.
> > >>
> > >> I like Vincent's idea to tweak the home logo, as I never quite liked
> the
> > >> idea of a "Home" menu - home in websites is typically the homepage,
> and
> > >> nothing else.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks,
> > >> > Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[hidden email]>
> > >> >
> > >> > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <
> [hidden email]
> > >
> > >> > > wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > You forgot one proposal which I like:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > == Proposal D ==
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left)
> > >> > > > * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current
> > wiki
> > >> > > > * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow
> > navigating
> > >> > > > either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of
> other
> > >> wikis
> > >> > > > * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover
> > over
> > >> > the
> > >> > > > logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with
> > first
> > >> > > entry
> > >> > > > = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry
> > with
> > >> > > "Wiki
> > >> > > > Index" for example.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > What I like with this is that the user is already used to use
> the
> > >> logo
> > >> > as
> > >> > > > a way to navigate to the home of wiki.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Thanks
> > >> > > > -Vincent
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau <
> > >> > > > [hidden email]> wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > > Hi developers.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate
> > >> > > Workspace
> > >> > > > in
> > >> > > > > XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA:
> > >> > > > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements
> when
> > >> > > > Workspaces
> > >> > > > > activated".
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2
> > (which
> > >> > was
> > >> > > > > scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull
> > request.
> > >> I
> > >> > > have
> > >> > > > > also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > == Proposal A ==
> > >> > > > > There is some screenshots (Proposal A):
> > >> > > > > Logged as admin:
> > >> > > > >
> > >> >
> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> > >> > > > > Not logged as admin:
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin.png
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > You can get it from this commit:
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249382e3d2c4138
> > >> > > > > (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot)
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal
> > >> > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
> > >> > >
> > >> > > In your screenshot is:
> > >> > > * Home
> > >> > > ** Administer Main Wiki
> > >> > > ** Wiki Directory
> > >> > >
> > >> > > What it was proposed:
> > >> > > * Home
> > >> > > ** Administration
> > >> > > ** Wikis Index
> > >> > > ** ....
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png
> > >> > >
> > >> > > "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as:
> > >> > > - "Administration"
> > >> > > or
> > >> > > - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home"
> > >> > > depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the
> > >> current
> > >> > > > menus:
> > >> > > > > - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when
> > we
> > >> are
> > >> > > in
> > >> > > > a
> > >> > > > > (sub)wiki? Does it make sense?
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to
> administrate
> > >> both
> > >> > > the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home
> (mainwiki).
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of
> the
> > >> > current
> > >> > > > > wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main"
> > and
> > >> > > > several
> > >> > > > > "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could
> > imagine, in
> > >> > the
> > >> > > > > future, a new implementation where there is no distinction
> > between
> > >> > > "main"
> > >> > > > > and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that
> allows
> > >> the
> > >> > > > users
> > >> > > > > to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to
> call
> > the
> > >> > > menu
> > >> > > > > "System" or "XWiki".
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu
> > >> > displays
> > >> > > the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent
> > with
> > >> the
> > >> > > way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.)
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only
> > have a
> > >> > > > > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has
> > more
> > >> > > > content.
> > >> > > > > It does not look good.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > In the proposal there is
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
> > >> > > Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we
> > could
> > >> > also
> > >> > > list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory"
> > >> (especially
> > >> > > since workspaces have only global users and the directory is
> > located in
> > >> > the
> > >> > > main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to
> have
> > a
> > >> > > consistency between the index/directory applications naming.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the
> > submenu,
> > >> > we
> > >> > > could have more entries (if they are related to the Home
> > (mainwiki)).
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki"
> > >> twice:
> > >> > > > once
> > >> > > > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu.
> > >> > > > > - The left menu has too many items.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from
> > >> > > * Menu in the (sub)wiki
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
> > >> > > in
> > >> > > * Menu in the Home (mainwiki)
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png
> > >> > >
> > >> > > The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of
> > >> content'
> > >> > > inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages)
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > == Proposal B ==
> > >> > > > > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in
> > 5.2M2,
> > >> so
> > >> > we
> > >> > > > > started to iterate until having this proposal:
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(proposal
> > >> > > > > B).
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the
> > left
> > >> > > side,
> > >> > > > we
> > >> > > > > have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can
> > actually
> > >> > > > achieve
> > >> > > > > on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer",
> > "Delete"
> > >> or
> > >> > > > > "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that,
> it
> > >> just
> > >> > > > > provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's
> > more a
> > >> > > > "System"
> > >> > > > > menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's
> why
> > we
> > >> > put
> > >> > > it
> > >> > > > > there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less
> > >> > > confusing.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content
> > organization
> > >> > > hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page.
> > >> > > You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content ||
> > User".
> > >> > The
> > >> > > "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your
> > >> location
> > >> > in
> > >> > > the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related
> > >> > actions.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to
> > customize
> > >> > > their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it
> > their
> > >> > > own.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > == Proposal C ==
> > >> > > > > We had also this idea:
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
> > >> > > > > But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the
> > "Main
> > >> > Wiki"
> > >> > > > > link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions
> like
> > >> > > > > "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Crowded and serves as a double function.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > ---
> > >> > > > > After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What
> > should
> > >> I
> > >> > > do?
> > >> > > > Do
> > >> > > > > I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes,
> > >> because
> > >> > he
> > >> > > > > wanted to have something to show to the community that can
> > still be
> > >> > > > changed
> > >> > > > > for the RC1, and he applied the pull request.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have:
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal):
> > >> > > > > Current implementation:
> > >> > > > >
> > >> >
> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> > >> > > > > Mockup with the new skin:
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/MenuPortal.png
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > B - "XWiki" right menu:
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >
> > >>
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu:
> > >> > > > >
> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > I propose to start a thread where you can all give your
> opinion,
> > >> > > > regarding
> > >> > > > > one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We
> > must
> > >> > have
> > >> > > a
> > >> > > > > consensus for the RC1!
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy).
> > >> > > > > +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO).
> > >> > > > > -1 for proposal C.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed:
> > >> > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
> > >> > >
> > >> > > (Wiki / (sub)wiki)
> > >> > > * Home
> > >> > > ** Administration
> > >> > > ** ---
> > >> > > ** Wikis Index/Directory
> > >> > > ** Documents Index
> > >> > >
> > >> > > (Home/mainwiki)
> > >> > > * Home
> > >> > > ** Watch Home
> > >> > > ** Administer Home
> > >> > > ** ---
> > >> > > ** Wikis Index
> > >> > > ** Documents Index
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Thanks,
> > >> > > Caty
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > Louis-Marie
> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > >> > > > > devs mailing list
> > >> > > > > [hidden email]
> > >> > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
> > >> > > >
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Re: [Proposals] Menu improvements when Workspaces activated

Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau
Thanks for your answers!

It seems we have a winner, so I start working on E.

Louis-Marie


2013/9/18 Eduard Moraru <[hidden email]>

> +1 for E. It's basically what Workspaces did from the start and that was
> the whole point: navigation, hierarchy and consistency. I believe the first
> users of Workspaces found it quite intuitive and nobody complained :)
>
> Side Note: I'm also against the notion of "System" in the UI that's
> recently being pushed.
>
> Thanks,
> Eduard
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Sorin Burjan <[hidden email]
> >wrote:
>
> > +1 for E
> >
> > Regards,
> > Sorin B.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Silvia Rusu <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi!
> > >
> > > I like Proposal E the best, so +1 for E.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Silvia
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau
> > > <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > > Hi.
> > > >
> > > > Seems RC1 is soon, I encourage everybody to give his point of view in
> > > order
> > > > to make a choice.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Guillaume
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2013/9/12 Jeremie BOUSQUET <[hidden email]>
> > > >
> > > >> Hi,
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> 2013/9/12 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[hidden email]>
> > > >>
> > > >> > Indeed, the proposal A was based on
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead
> > > >> > of
> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Then I suggest to call your proposal: E.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Let me recap:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".
> > > >> >
> > > >> > - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu
> > > >> >
> > > >> > - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu
> > > >> >
> > > >> > - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > --
> > > >> >
> > > >> > About E:
> > > >> > Some issues IMHO:
> > > >> > - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home
> wiki
> > > and
> > > >> > when you are in the subwiki.
> > > >> > - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the
> > > users
> > > >> and
> > > >> > the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki?
> Can't
> > > it
> > > >> be
> > > >> > confusing?
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >> I would say: it depends.
> > > >> In "farm" concept it's almost completely useless, because different
> > > persons
> > > >> will administrate different subwikis of their own and someone else
> > will
> > > >> administrate main wiki.
> > > >> In "workspace" concept, I find very useful to be able to
> administrate
> > > main
> > > >> wiki without having to browse to main wiki, because I may find
> myself
> > > >> wanting to administer main wiki just anytime, while I administer a
> > > subwiki
> > > >> merely to manage users allowed in this subwiki ... and, yes, install
> > > >> extensions and choose a color theme.
> > > >>
> > > >> To be honest, I use 5.1 + Workspace extension, and I hardly have any
> > > issue
> > > >> with navigating through wikis, administering this or that etc ...
> The
> > > only
> > > >> thing I would miss, are some quick links to switch to a wiki or the
> > > other
> > > >> (instead of having to browse to a "Workspace directory" page), but
> > this
> > > >> kind of thing does not really scale with numerous wikis.
> > > >>
> > > >> I like Vincent's idea to tweak the home logo, as I never quite liked
> > the
> > > >> idea of a "Home" menu - home in websites is typically the homepage,
> > and
> > > >> nothing else.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Thanks,
> > > >> > Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[hidden email]>
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <
> > [hidden email]
> > > >
> > > >> > > wrote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > You forgot one proposal which I like:
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > == Proposal D ==
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left)
> > > >> > > > * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the
> current
> > > wiki
> > > >> > > > * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow
> > > navigating
> > > >> > > > either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of
> > other
> > > >> wikis
> > > >> > > > * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse
> hover
> > > over
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > > > logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with
> > > first
> > > >> > > entry
> > > >> > > > = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second
> entry
> > > with
> > > >> > > "Wiki
> > > >> > > > Index" for example.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > What I like with this is that the user is already used to use
> > the
> > > >> logo
> > > >> > as
> > > >> > > > a way to navigate to the home of wiki.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Thanks
> > > >> > > > -Vincent
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
> <
> > > >> > > > [hidden email]> wrote:
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > > Hi developers.
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that
> integrate
> > > >> > > Workspace
> > > >> > > > in
> > > >> > > > > XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA:
> > > >> > > > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements
> > when
> > > >> > > > Workspaces
> > > >> > > > > activated".
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2
> > > (which
> > > >> > was
> > > >> > > > > scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull
> > > request.
> > > >> I
> > > >> > > have
> > > >> > > > > also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work.
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > == Proposal A ==
> > > >> > > > > There is some screenshots (Proposal A):
> > > >> > > > > Logged as admin:
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> >
> > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> > > >> > > > > Not logged as admin:
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin.png
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > You can get it from this commit:
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249382e3d2c4138
> > > >> > > > > (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this
> screenshot)
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal
> > > >> > >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > In your screenshot is:
> > > >> > > * Home
> > > >> > > ** Administer Main Wiki
> > > >> > > ** Wiki Directory
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > What it was proposed:
> > > >> > > * Home
> > > >> > > ** Administration
> > > >> > > ** Wikis Index
> > > >> > > ** ....
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as:
> > > >> > > - "Administration"
> > > >> > > or
> > > >> > > - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home"
> > > >> > > depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > > We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with
> the
> > > >> current
> > > >> > > > menus:
> > > >> > > > > - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration
> when
> > > we
> > > >> are
> > > >> > > in
> > > >> > > > a
> > > >> > > > > (sub)wiki? Does it make sense?
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to
> > administrate
> > > >> both
> > > >> > > the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home
> > (mainwiki).
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > > - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of
> > the
> > > >> > current
> > > >> > > > > wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a
> "main"
> > > and
> > > >> > > > several
> > > >> > > > > "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could
> > > imagine, in
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > > > > future, a new implementation where there is no distinction
> > > between
> > > >> > > "main"
> > > >> > > > > and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that
> > allows
> > > >> the
> > > >> > > > users
> > > >> > > > > to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to
> > call
> > > the
> > > >> > > menu
> > > >> > > > > "System" or "XWiki".
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The
> menu
> > > >> > displays
> > > >> > > the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent
> > > with
> > > >> the
> > > >> > > way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.)
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only
> > > have a
> > > >> > > > > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has
> > > more
> > > >> > > > content.
> > > >> > > > > It does not look good.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > In the proposal there is
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
> > > >> > > Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we
> > > could
> > > >> > also
> > > >> > > list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory"
> > > >> (especially
> > > >> > > since workspaces have only global users and the directory is
> > > located in
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > > main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to
> > have
> > > a
> > > >> > > consistency between the index/directory applications naming.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the
> > > submenu,
> > > >> > we
> > > >> > > could have more entries (if they are related to the Home
> > > (mainwiki)).
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > > - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main
> wiki"
> > > >> twice:
> > > >> > > > once
> > > >> > > > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu.
> > > >> > > > > - The left menu has too many items.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from
> > > >> > > * Menu in the (sub)wiki
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
> > > >> > > in
> > > >> > > * Menu in the Home (mainwiki)
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of
> > > >> content'
> > > >> > > inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages)
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > == Proposal B ==
> > > >> > > > > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in
> > > 5.2M2,
> > > >> so
> > > >> > we
> > > >> > > > > started to iterate until having this proposal:
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(proposal
> > > >> > > > > B).
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on
> the
> > > left
> > > >> > > side,
> > > >> > > > we
> > > >> > > > > have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can
> > > actually
> > > >> > > > achieve
> > > >> > > > > on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer",
> > > "Delete"
> > > >> or
> > > >> > > > > "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that,
> > it
> > > >> just
> > > >> > > > > provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's
> > > more a
> > > >> > > > "System"
> > > >> > > > > menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's
> > why
> > > we
> > > >> > put
> > > >> > > it
> > > >> > > > > there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is
> less
> > > >> > > confusing.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content
> > > organization
> > > >> > > hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page.
> > > >> > > You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content ||
> > > User".
> > > >> > The
> > > >> > > "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your
> > > >> location
> > > >> > in
> > > >> > > the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User
> related
> > > >> > actions.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to
> > > customize
> > > >> > > their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making
> it
> > > their
> > > >> > > own.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > == Proposal C ==
> > > >> > > > > We had also this idea:
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
> > > >> > > > > But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the
> > > "Main
> > > >> > Wiki"
> > > >> > > > > link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions
> > like
> > > >> > > > > "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Crowded and serves as a double function.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > ---
> > > >> > > > > After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What
> > > should
> > > >> I
> > > >> > > do?
> > > >> > > > Do
> > > >> > > > > I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes,
> > > >> because
> > > >> > he
> > > >> > > > > wanted to have something to show to the community that can
> > > still be
> > > >> > > > changed
> > > >> > > > > for the RC1, and he applied the pull request.
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have:
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal):
> > > >> > > > > Current implementation:
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> >
> > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> > > >> > > > > Mockup with the new skin:
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/MenuPortal.png
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > B - "XWiki" right menu:
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >>
> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu:
> > > >> > > > >
> > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > I propose to start a thread where you can all give your
> > opinion,
> > > >> > > > regarding
> > > >> > > > > one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We
> > > must
> > > >> > have
> > > >> > > a
> > > >> > > > > consensus for the RC1!
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy).
> > > >> > > > > +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO).
> > > >> > > > > -1 for proposal C.
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed:
> > > >> > >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > (Wiki / (sub)wiki)
> > > >> > > * Home
> > > >> > > ** Administration
> > > >> > > ** ---
> > > >> > > ** Wikis Index/Directory
> > > >> > > ** Documents Index
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > (Home/mainwiki)
> > > >> > > * Home
> > > >> > > ** Watch Home
> > > >> > > ** Administer Home
> > > >> > > ** ---
> > > >> > > ** Wikis Index
> > > >> > > ** Documents Index
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Thanks,
> > > >> > > Caty
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > > Louis-Marie
> > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > >> > > > > devs mailing list
> > > >> > > > > [hidden email]
> > > >> > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > >> > > > devs mailing list
> > > >> > > > [hidden email]
> > > >> > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > _______________________________________________
> > > >> > > devs mailing list
> > > >> > > [hidden email]
> > > >> > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > _______________________________________________
> > > >> > devs mailing list
> > > >> > [hidden email]
> > > >> > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
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Re: [Proposals] Menu improvements when Workspaces activated

Fabio Mancinelli-4
In reply to this post by Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> Indeed, the proposal A was based on
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenu instead
> of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu .
>
> Then I suggest to call your proposal: E.
>
> Let me recap:
>
> - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".
>
> - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu
>
> - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu
>
> - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.
>
> - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.
>

I like both B and E.

I liked E because it keeps the left area the same. Since all the wikis
are equal, so it should be the area for manipulating it. But since the
main wiki is "more equal" than the others, it's good to show it. I
understand the problem of E but I cannot think of another place where
to put this menu.

What I don't like of E is just the "home" label.
Home will become too overloaded. Every wiki has a home, now with that
menu there will be a home which is the home of the main wiki.

I cannot think of a better alternative besides "Main" that suffers of
the same problem (since every wiki has a Main space).
Maybe calling it "XWiki" can really be a possible solution.

-Fabio




> --
>
> About E:
> Some issues IMHO:
> - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and
> when you are in the subwiki.
> - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users and
> the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it be
> confusing?
>
> Thanks,
> Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
>
>
>
> 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[hidden email]>
>
>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > You forgot one proposal which I like:
>> >
>> > == Proposal D ==
>> >
>> > * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left)
>> > * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki
>> > * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating
>> > either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other wikis
>> > * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over the
>> > logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first
>> entry
>> > = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with
>> "Wiki
>> > Index" for example.
>> >
>> > What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the logo as
>> > a way to navigate to the home of wiki.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > -Vincent
>> >
>> > On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau <
>> > [hidden email]> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi developers.
>> > >
>> > > Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate
>> Workspace
>> > in
>> > > XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA:
>> > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when
>> > Workspaces
>> > > activated".
>> > >
>> > > The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which was
>> > > scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I
>> have
>> > > also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work.
>> > >
>> > > == Proposal A ==
>> > > There is some screenshots (Proposal A):
>> > > Logged as admin:
>> > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
>> > > Not logged as admin:
>> > >
>> >
>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin.png
>> > >
>> > > You can get it from this commit:
>> > >
>> >
>> https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249382e3d2c4138
>> > > (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot)
>> > >
>> >
>>
>> So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal
>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
>>
>> In your screenshot is:
>> * Home
>> ** Administer Main Wiki
>> ** Wiki Directory
>>
>> What it was proposed:
>> * Home
>> ** Administration
>> ** Wikis Index
>> ** ....
>>
>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
>>
>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png
>>
>> "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as:
>> - "Administration"
>> or
>> - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home"
>> depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki.
>>
>>
>> > > We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the current
>> > menus:
>> > > - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are
>> in
>> > a
>> > > (sub)wiki? Does it make sense?
>> >
>>
>> As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate both
>> the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki).
>>
>>
>> > > - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the current
>> > > wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and
>> > several
>> > > "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in the
>> > > future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between
>> "main"
>> > > and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the
>> > users
>> > > to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the
>> menu
>> > > "System" or "XWiki".
>> >
>>
>> The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu displays
>> the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with the
>> way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.)
>>
>> > - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a
>> > > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more
>> > content.
>> > > It does not look good.
>> >
>>
>> In the proposal there is
>>
>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
>> Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could also
>> list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" (especially
>> since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in the
>> main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a
>> consistency between the index/directory applications naming.
>>
>> So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu, we
>> could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)).
>>
>>
>> > > - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" twice:
>> > once
>> > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu.
>> > > - The left menu has too many items.
>> >
>>
>> If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from
>> * Menu in the (sub)wiki
>>
>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
>> in
>> * Menu in the Home (mainwiki)
>>
>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png
>>
>> The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of content'
>> inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages)
>>
>>
>> > >
>> > > == Proposal B ==
>> > > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, so we
>> > > started to iterate until having this proposal:
>> > >
>> >
>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(proposal
>> > > B).
>> > >
>> > > Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left
>> side,
>> > we
>> > > have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually
>> > achieve
>> > > on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" or
>> > > "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just
>> > > provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a
>> > "System"
>> > > menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we put
>> it
>> > > there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less
>> confusing.
>> >
>>
>> I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization
>> hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page.
>> You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User". The
>> "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your location in
>> the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related actions.
>>
>> Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize
>> their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their
>> own.
>>
>>
>> > >
>> > > == Proposal C ==
>> > > We had also this idea:
>> > >
>> >
>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
>> > > But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main Wiki"
>> > > link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like
>> > > "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are.
>> >
>>
>> Crowded and serves as a double function.
>>
>>
>> > >
>> > > ---
>> > > After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I
>> do?
>> > Do
>> > > I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because he
>> > > wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be
>> > changed
>> > > for the RC1, and he applied the pull request.
>> > >
>> > > So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have:
>> > >
>> > > A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal):
>> > > Current implementation:
>> > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
>> > > Mockup with the new skin:
>> > >
>> >
>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/MenuPortal.png
>> > >
>> > > B - "XWiki" right menu:
>> > >
>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
>> > >
>> > > C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu:
>> > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png
>> > >
>> > > I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion,
>> > regarding
>> > > one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must have
>> a
>> > > consensus for the RC1!
>> > >
>> > > 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy).
>> > > +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO).
>> > > -1 for proposal C.
>> > >
>> >
>>
>> So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed:
>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
>>
>> (Wiki / (sub)wiki)
>> * Home
>> ** Administration
>> ** ---
>> ** Wikis Index/Directory
>> ** Documents Index
>>
>> (Home/mainwiki)
>> * Home
>> ** Watch Home
>> ** Administer Home
>> ** ---
>> ** Wikis Index
>> ** Documents Index
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Caty
>>
>>
>> > > Louis-Marie
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > devs mailing list
>> > > [hidden email]
>> > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
>> >
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Re: [Proposals] Menu improvements when Workspaces activated

Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau
You can see some screenshots in the JIRA:
http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9475

Thanks,
LM


2013/9/18 Fabio Mancinelli <[hidden email]>

> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Indeed, the proposal A was based on
> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead
> > of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu .
> >
> > Then I suggest to call your proposal: E.
> >
> > Let me recap:
> >
> > - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".
> >
> > - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu
> >
> > - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu
> >
> > - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.
> >
> > - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.
> >
>
> I like both B and E.
>
> I liked E because it keeps the left area the same. Since all the wikis
> are equal, so it should be the area for manipulating it. But since the
> main wiki is "more equal" than the others, it's good to show it. I
> understand the problem of E but I cannot think of another place where
> to put this menu.
>
> What I don't like of E is just the "home" label.
> Home will become too overloaded. Every wiki has a home, now with that
> menu there will be a home which is the home of the main wiki.
>
> I cannot think of a better alternative besides "Main" that suffers of
> the same problem (since every wiki has a Main space).
> Maybe calling it "XWiki" can really be a possible solution.
>
> -Fabio
>
>
>
>
> > --
> >
> > About E:
> > Some issues IMHO:
> > - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and
> > when you are in the subwiki.
> > - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users
> and
> > the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it
> be
> > confusing?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
> >
> >
> >
> > 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[hidden email]>
> >
> >> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > You forgot one proposal which I like:
> >> >
> >> > == Proposal D ==
> >> >
> >> > * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left)
> >> > * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki
> >> > * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating
> >> > either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other
> wikis
> >> > * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over
> the
> >> > logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first
> >> entry
> >> > = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with
> >> "Wiki
> >> > Index" for example.
> >> >
> >> > What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the
> logo as
> >> > a way to navigate to the home of wiki.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks
> >> > -Vincent
> >> >
> >> > On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau <
> >> > [hidden email]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Hi developers.
> >> > >
> >> > > Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate
> >> Workspace
> >> > in
> >> > > XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA:
> >> > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when
> >> > Workspaces
> >> > > activated".
> >> > >
> >> > > The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which
> was
> >> > > scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I
> >> have
> >> > > also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work.
> >> > >
> >> > > == Proposal A ==
> >> > > There is some screenshots (Proposal A):
> >> > > Logged as admin:
> >> > >
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> >> > > Not logged as admin:
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin.png
> >> > >
> >> > > You can get it from this commit:
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249382e3d2c4138
> >> > > (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot)
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >> So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal
> >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
> >>
> >> In your screenshot is:
> >> * Home
> >> ** Administer Main Wiki
> >> ** Wiki Directory
> >>
> >> What it was proposed:
> >> * Home
> >> ** Administration
> >> ** Wikis Index
> >> ** ....
> >>
> >>
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
> >>
> >>
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png
> >>
> >> "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as:
> >> - "Administration"
> >> or
> >> - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home"
> >> depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki.
> >>
> >>
> >> > > We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the
> current
> >> > menus:
> >> > > - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we
> are
> >> in
> >> > a
> >> > > (sub)wiki? Does it make sense?
> >> >
> >>
> >> As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate both
> >> the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki).
> >>
> >>
> >> > > - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the
> current
> >> > > wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and
> >> > several
> >> > > "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in
> the
> >> > > future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between
> >> "main"
> >> > > and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the
> >> > users
> >> > > to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the
> >> menu
> >> > > "System" or "XWiki".
> >> >
> >>
> >> The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu
> displays
> >> the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with
> the
> >> way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.)
> >>
> >> > - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a
> >> > > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more
> >> > content.
> >> > > It does not look good.
> >> >
> >>
> >> In the proposal there is
> >>
> >>
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
> >> Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could
> also
> >> list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory"
> (especially
> >> since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in
> the
> >> main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a
> >> consistency between the index/directory applications naming.
> >>
> >> So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu,
> we
> >> could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)).
> >>
> >>
> >> > > - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki"
> twice:
> >> > once
> >> > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu.
> >> > > - The left menu has too many items.
> >> >
> >>
> >> If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from
> >> * Menu in the (sub)wiki
> >>
> >>
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
> >> in
> >> * Menu in the Home (mainwiki)
> >>
> >>
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png
> >>
> >> The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of
> content'
> >> inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages)
> >>
> >>
> >> > >
> >> > > == Proposal B ==
> >> > > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2,
> so we
> >> > > started to iterate until having this proposal:
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(proposal
> >> > > B).
> >> > >
> >> > > Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left
> >> side,
> >> > we
> >> > > have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually
> >> > achieve
> >> > > on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete"
> or
> >> > > "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just
> >> > > provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a
> >> > "System"
> >> > > menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we
> put
> >> it
> >> > > there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less
> >> confusing.
> >> >
> >>
> >> I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization
> >> hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page.
> >> You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User".
> The
> >> "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your
> location in
> >> the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related
> actions.
> >>
> >> Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize
> >> their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their
> >> own.
> >>
> >>
> >> > >
> >> > > == Proposal C ==
> >> > > We had also this idea:
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
> >> > > But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main
> Wiki"
> >> > > link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like
> >> > > "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Crowded and serves as a double function.
> >>
> >>
> >> > >
> >> > > ---
> >> > > After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I
> >> do?
> >> > Do
> >> > > I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes,
> because he
> >> > > wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be
> >> > changed
> >> > > for the RC1, and he applied the pull request.
> >> > >
> >> > > So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have:
> >> > >
> >> > > A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal):
> >> > > Current implementation:
> >> > >
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> >> > > Mockup with the new skin:
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/MenuPortal.png
> >> > >
> >> > > B - "XWiki" right menu:
> >> > >
> >> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
> >> > >
> >> > > C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu:
> >> > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png
> >> > >
> >> > > I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion,
> >> > regarding
> >> > > one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must
> have
> >> a
> >> > > consensus for the RC1!
> >> > >
> >> > > 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy).
> >> > > +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO).
> >> > > -1 for proposal C.
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >> So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed:
> >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
> >>
> >> (Wiki / (sub)wiki)
> >> * Home
> >> ** Administration
> >> ** ---
> >> ** Wikis Index/Directory
> >> ** Documents Index
> >>
> >> (Home/mainwiki)
> >> * Home
> >> ** Watch Home
> >> ** Administer Home
> >> ** ---
> >> ** Wikis Index
> >> ** Documents Index
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Caty
> >>
> >>
> >> > > Louis-Marie
> >> > > _______________________________________________
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Re: [Proposals] Menu improvements when Workspaces activated

Denis Gervalle-2
Looking at the screenshots, I was wondering if we shouldn't use the same
"HOME" label for the single wiki case, since the wiki name has no real
meaning, and it could became the home of a workspace environment, or of a
multiwiki farm. This would make it more consistent over time, than having
the "Wiki: xwiki" changing to "HOME" when a subwiki is created. I am only
talking about the menu label here, not the content.

WDYT ?


On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> You can see some screenshots in the JIRA:
> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9475
>
> Thanks,
> LM
>
>
> 2013/9/18 Fabio Mancinelli <[hidden email]>
>
> > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau
> > <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > Indeed, the proposal A was based on
> > >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead
> > > of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu .
> > >
> > > Then I suggest to call your proposal: E.
> > >
> > > Let me recap:
> > >
> > > - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".
> > >
> > > - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu
> > >
> > > - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu
> > >
> > > - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.
> > >
> > > - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.
> > >
> >
> > I like both B and E.
> >
> > I liked E because it keeps the left area the same. Since all the wikis
> > are equal, so it should be the area for manipulating it. But since the
> > main wiki is "more equal" than the others, it's good to show it. I
> > understand the problem of E but I cannot think of another place where
> > to put this menu.
> >
> > What I don't like of E is just the "home" label.
> > Home will become too overloaded. Every wiki has a home, now with that
> > menu there will be a home which is the home of the main wiki.
> >
> > I cannot think of a better alternative besides "Main" that suffers of
> > the same problem (since every wiki has a Main space).
> > Maybe calling it "XWiki" can really be a possible solution.
> >
> > -Fabio
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > --
> > >
> > > About E:
> > > Some issues IMHO:
> > > - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and
> > > when you are in the subwiki.
> > > - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users
> > and
> > > the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it
> > be
> > > confusing?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[hidden email]>
> > >
> > >> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > You forgot one proposal which I like:
> > >> >
> > >> > == Proposal D ==
> > >> >
> > >> > * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left)
> > >> > * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki
> > >> > * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow
> navigating
> > >> > either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other
> > wikis
> > >> > * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over
> > the
> > >> > logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first
> > >> entry
> > >> > = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with
> > >> "Wiki
> > >> > Index" for example.
> > >> >
> > >> > What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the
> > logo as
> > >> > a way to navigate to the home of wiki.
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks
> > >> > -Vincent
> > >> >
> > >> > On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau <
> > >> > [hidden email]> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > Hi developers.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate
> > >> Workspace
> > >> > in
> > >> > > XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA:
> > >> > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when
> > >> > Workspaces
> > >> > > activated".
> > >> > >
> > >> > > The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2
> (which
> > was
> > >> > > scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull
> request. I
> > >> have
> > >> > > also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > == Proposal A ==
> > >> > > There is some screenshots (Proposal A):
> > >> > > Logged as admin:
> > >> > >
> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> > >> > > Not logged as admin:
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin.png
> > >> > >
> > >> > > You can get it from this commit:
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249382e3d2c4138
> > >> > > (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot)
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal
> > >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
> > >>
> > >> In your screenshot is:
> > >> * Home
> > >> ** Administer Main Wiki
> > >> ** Wiki Directory
> > >>
> > >> What it was proposed:
> > >> * Home
> > >> ** Administration
> > >> ** Wikis Index
> > >> ** ....
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png
> > >>
> > >> "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as:
> > >> - "Administration"
> > >> or
> > >> - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home"
> > >> depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > > We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the
> > current
> > >> > menus:
> > >> > > - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we
> > are
> > >> in
> > >> > a
> > >> > > (sub)wiki? Does it make sense?
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate
> both
> > >> the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki).
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > > - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the
> > current
> > >> > > wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and
> > >> > several
> > >> > > "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine,
> in
> > the
> > >> > > future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between
> > >> "main"
> > >> > > and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows
> the
> > >> > users
> > >> > > to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call
> the
> > >> menu
> > >> > > "System" or "XWiki".
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu
> > displays
> > >> the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with
> > the
> > >> way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.)
> > >>
> > >> > - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have
> a
> > >> > > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more
> > >> > content.
> > >> > > It does not look good.
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> In the proposal there is
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
> > >> Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could
> > also
> > >> list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory"
> > (especially
> > >> since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located
> in
> > the
> > >> main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a
> > >> consistency between the index/directory applications naming.
> > >>
> > >> So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the
> submenu,
> > we
> > >> could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)).
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > > - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki"
> > twice:
> > >> > once
> > >> > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu.
> > >> > > - The left menu has too many items.
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from
> > >> * Menu in the (sub)wiki
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
> > >> in
> > >> * Menu in the Home (mainwiki)
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png
> > >>
> > >> The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of
> > content'
> > >> inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > >
> > >> > > == Proposal B ==
> > >> > > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2,
> > so we
> > >> > > started to iterate until having this proposal:
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(proposal
> > >> > > B).
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left
> > >> side,
> > >> > we
> > >> > > have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually
> > >> > achieve
> > >> > > on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete"
> > or
> > >> > > "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it
> just
> > >> > > provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a
> > >> > "System"
> > >> > > menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we
> > put
> > >> it
> > >> > > there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less
> > >> confusing.
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content
> organization
> > >> hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page.
> > >> You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User".
> > The
> > >> "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your
> > location in
> > >> the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related
> > actions.
> > >>
> > >> Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize
> > >> their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it
> their
> > >> own.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > >
> > >> > > == Proposal C ==
> > >> > > We had also this idea:
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
> > >> > > But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main
> > Wiki"
> > >> > > link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like
> > >> > > "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are.
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> Crowded and serves as a double function.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > >
> > >> > > ---
> > >> > > After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What
> should I
> > >> do?
> > >> > Do
> > >> > > I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes,
> > because he
> > >> > > wanted to have something to show to the community that can still
> be
> > >> > changed
> > >> > > for the RC1, and he applied the pull request.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal):
> > >> > > Current implementation:
> > >> > >
> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> > >> > > Mockup with the new skin:
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/MenuPortal.png
> > >> > >
> > >> > > B - "XWiki" right menu:
> > >> > >
> > >>
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
> > >> > >
> > >> > > C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu:
> > >> > >
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion,
> > >> > regarding
> > >> > > one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must
> > have
> > >> a
> > >> > > consensus for the RC1!
> > >> > >
> > >> > > 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy).
> > >> > > +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO).
> > >> > > -1 for proposal C.
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed:
> > >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
> > >>
> > >> (Wiki / (sub)wiki)
> > >> * Home
> > >> ** Administration
> > >> ** ---
> > >> ** Wikis Index/Directory
> > >> ** Documents Index
> > >>
> > >> (Home/mainwiki)
> > >> * Home
> > >> ** Watch Home
> > >> ** Administer Home
> > >> ** ---
> > >> ** Wikis Index
> > >> ** Documents Index
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Caty
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > > Louis-Marie
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Re: [Proposals] Menu improvements when Workspaces activated

Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau
+1, I like this idea.

Anyone else?


2013/9/18 Denis Gervalle <[hidden email]>

> Looking at the screenshots, I was wondering if we shouldn't use the same
> "HOME" label for the single wiki case, since the wiki name has no real
> meaning, and it could became the home of a workspace environment, or of a
> multiwiki farm. This would make it more consistent over time, than having
> the "Wiki: xwiki" changing to "HOME" when a subwiki is created. I am only
> talking about the menu label here, not the content.
>
> WDYT ?
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > You can see some screenshots in the JIRA:
> > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9475
> >
> > Thanks,
> > LM
> >
> >
> > 2013/9/18 Fabio Mancinelli <[hidden email]>
> >
> > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau
> > > <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > > Indeed, the proposal A was based on
> > > >
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead
> > > > of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu.
> > > >
> > > > Then I suggest to call your proposal: E.
> > > >
> > > > Let me recap:
> > > >
> > > > - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".
> > > >
> > > > - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu
> > > >
> > > > - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu
> > > >
> > > > - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.
> > > >
> > > > - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I like both B and E.
> > >
> > > I liked E because it keeps the left area the same. Since all the wikis
> > > are equal, so it should be the area for manipulating it. But since the
> > > main wiki is "more equal" than the others, it's good to show it. I
> > > understand the problem of E but I cannot think of another place where
> > > to put this menu.
> > >
> > > What I don't like of E is just the "home" label.
> > > Home will become too overloaded. Every wiki has a home, now with that
> > > menu there will be a home which is the home of the main wiki.
> > >
> > > I cannot think of a better alternative besides "Main" that suffers of
> > > the same problem (since every wiki has a Main space).
> > > Maybe calling it "XWiki" can really be a possible solution.
> > >
> > > -Fabio
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > About E:
> > > > Some issues IMHO:
> > > > - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki
> and
> > > > when you are in the subwiki.
> > > > - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the
> users
> > > and
> > > > the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't
> it
> > > be
> > > > confusing?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[hidden email]>
> > > >
> > > >> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]
> >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > You forgot one proposal which I like:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > == Proposal D ==
> > > >> >
> > > >> > * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left)
> > > >> > * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current
> wiki
> > > >> > * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow
> > navigating
> > > >> > either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other
> > > wikis
> > > >> > * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover
> over
> > > the
> > > >> > logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with
> first
> > > >> entry
> > > >> > = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry
> with
> > > >> "Wiki
> > > >> > Index" for example.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the
> > > logo as
> > > >> > a way to navigate to the home of wiki.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Thanks
> > > >> > -Vincent
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau <
> > > >> > [hidden email]> wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > Hi developers.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate
> > > >> Workspace
> > > >> > in
> > > >> > > XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA:
> > > >> > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when
> > > >> > Workspaces
> > > >> > > activated".
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2
> > (which
> > > was
> > > >> > > scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull
> > request. I
> > > >> have
> > > >> > > also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > == Proposal A ==
> > > >> > > There is some screenshots (Proposal A):
> > > >> > > Logged as admin:
> > > >> > >
> > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> > > >> > > Not logged as admin:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin.png
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > You can get it from this commit:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249382e3d2c4138
> > > >> > > (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot)
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >> So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal
> > > >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
> > > >>
> > > >> In your screenshot is:
> > > >> * Home
> > > >> ** Administer Main Wiki
> > > >> ** Wiki Directory
> > > >>
> > > >> What it was proposed:
> > > >> * Home
> > > >> ** Administration
> > > >> ** Wikis Index
> > > >> ** ....
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png
> > > >>
> > > >> "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as:
> > > >> - "Administration"
> > > >> or
> > > >> - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home"
> > > >> depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> > > We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the
> > > current
> > > >> > menus:
> > > >> > > - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when
> we
> > > are
> > > >> in
> > > >> > a
> > > >> > > (sub)wiki? Does it make sense?
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >> As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate
> > both
> > > >> the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki).
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> > > - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the
> > > current
> > > >> > > wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main"
> and
> > > >> > several
> > > >> > > "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine,
> > in
> > > the
> > > >> > > future, a new implementation where there is no distinction
> between
> > > >> "main"
> > > >> > > and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows
> > the
> > > >> > users
> > > >> > > to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call
> > the
> > > >> menu
> > > >> > > "System" or "XWiki".
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >> The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu
> > > displays
> > > >> the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent
> with
> > > the
> > > >> way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.)
> > > >>
> > > >> > - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only
> have
> > a
> > > >> > > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has
> more
> > > >> > content.
> > > >> > > It does not look good.
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >> In the proposal there is
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
> > > >> Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we
> could
> > > also
> > > >> list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory"
> > > (especially
> > > >> since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located
> > in
> > > the
> > > >> main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have
> a
> > > >> consistency between the index/directory applications naming.
> > > >>
> > > >> So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the
> > submenu,
> > > we
> > > >> could have more entries (if they are related to the Home
> (mainwiki)).
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> > > - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki"
> > > twice:
> > > >> > once
> > > >> > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu.
> > > >> > > - The left menu has too many items.
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >> If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from
> > > >> * Menu in the (sub)wiki
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png
> > > >> in
> > > >> * Menu in the Home (mainwiki)
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png
> > > >>
> > > >> The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of
> > > content'
> > > >> inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages)
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > == Proposal B ==
> > > >> > > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in
> 5.2M2,
> > > so we
> > > >> > > started to iterate until having this proposal:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(proposal
> > > >> > > B).
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the
> left
> > > >> side,
> > > >> > we
> > > >> > > have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can
> actually
> > > >> > achieve
> > > >> > > on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer",
> "Delete"
> > > or
> > > >> > > "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it
> > just
> > > >> > > provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's
> more a
> > > >> > "System"
> > > >> > > menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why
> we
> > > put
> > > >> it
> > > >> > > there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less
> > > >> confusing.
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >> I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content
> > organization
> > > >> hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page.
> > > >> You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content ||
> User".
> > > The
> > > >> "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your
> > > location in
> > > >> the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related
> > > actions.
> > > >>
> > > >> Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to
> customize
> > > >> their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it
> > their
> > > >> own.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > == Proposal C ==
> > > >> > > We had also this idea:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
> > > >> > > But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the
> "Main
> > > Wiki"
> > > >> > > link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like
> > > >> > > "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are.
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >> Crowded and serves as a double function.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > ---
> > > >> > > After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What
> > should I
> > > >> do?
> > > >> > Do
> > > >> > > I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes,
> > > because he
> > > >> > > wanted to have something to show to the community that can still
> > be
> > > >> > changed
> > > >> > > for the RC1, and he applied the pull request.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal):
> > > >> > > Current implementation:
> > > >> > >
> > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> > > >> > > Mockup with the new skin:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/MenuPortal.png
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > B - "XWiki" right menu:
> > > >> > >
> > > >>
> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu:
> > > >> > >
> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion,
> > > >> > regarding
> > > >> > > one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We
> must
> > > have
> > > >> a
> > > >> > > consensus for the RC1!
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy).
> > > >> > > +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO).
> > > >> > > -1 for proposal C.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >> So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed:
> > > >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
> > > >>
> > > >> (Wiki / (sub)wiki)
> > > >> * Home
> > > >> ** Administration
> > > >> ** ---
> > > >> ** Wikis Index/Directory
> > > >> ** Documents Index
> > > >>
> > > >> (Home/mainwiki)
> > > >> * Home
> > > >> ** Watch Home
> > > >> ** Administer Home
> > > >> ** ---
> > > >> ** Wikis Index
> > > >> ** Documents Index
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks,
> > > >> Caty
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> > > Louis-Marie
> > > >> > > _______________________________________________
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