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Strange log on behaviour

Stephen-20
I have an xwiki on the wiki farm.

Users sometimes experience the following behaviour:

(1) Go to site, see a log on screen
(2) Username and password entered - taken to an html style sheet (I think)
    - this shows up as a new window in IE, takes over existing window in
Firefox
(3) Click back in case of Firefox, or close window for IE
(4) Taken to "normal" log-on screen

see screen shots here:
http://www.thecolehouse.org.uk/screenshots.htm

(trying to get screen shoot of css but all machines to hand have got
password remembered and so this behaviour is skipped)

This is off-putting for non-catechise new users cause they log on and in
their eyes get a page of gobbledygook and then give up.

Can anyone advise?


Thanks





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RE: Strange log on behaviour

Esbach, Brandon
I get this all the time.  I suspect it is due to a changed login page -
as this does not seem to happen on initial installations, only on the
installations that we have modified the login page.

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: 07 March 2006 14:59
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [xwiki-users] Strange log on behaviour

I have an xwiki on the wiki farm.

Users sometimes experience the following behaviour:

(1) Go to site, see a log on screen
(2) Username and password entered - taken to an html style sheet (I
think)
    - this shows up as a new window in IE, takes over existing window in
Firefox
(3) Click back in case of Firefox, or close window for IE
(4) Taken to "normal" log-on screen

see screen shots here:
http://www.thecolehouse.org.uk/screenshots.htm

(trying to get screen shoot of css but all machines to hand have got
password remembered and so this behaviour is skipped)

This is off-putting for non-catechise new users cause they log on and in
their eyes get a page of gobbledygook and then give up.

Can anyone advise?


Thanks






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Re: Strange log on behaviour

kweiner
This has happened to me too.  It showed up when I accessed XWiki using
a different domain name (I have more than one mapped to the machine).
I don't know if that was the root cause though. The problem went away
after restarting the XWiki app server.

On 3/7/06, Esbach, Brandon <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I get this all the time.  I suspect it is due to a changed login page -
> as this does not seem to happen on initial installations, only on the
> installations that we have modified the login page.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: 07 March 2006 14:59
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [xwiki-users] Strange log on behaviour
>
> I have an xwiki on the wiki farm.
>
> Users sometimes experience the following behaviour:
>
> (1) Go to site, see a log on screen
> (2) Username and password entered - taken to an html style sheet (I
> think)
>     - this shows up as a new window in IE, takes over existing window in
> Firefox
> (3) Click back in case of Firefox, or close window for IE
> (4) Taken to "normal" log-on screen
>
> see screen shots here:
> http://www.thecolehouse.org.uk/screenshots.htm
>
> (trying to get screen shoot of css but all machines to hand have got
> password remembered and so this behaviour is skipped)
>
> This is off-putting for non-catechise new users cause they log on and in
> their eyes get a page of gobbledygook and then give up.
>
> Can anyone advise?
>
>
> Thanks


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Re: Strange log on behaviour

Robin Fernandes
Hi,

In my experience it happens when you set a non default skin and force
authentication on all page views. If I understand correctly, the cause
is that the login page will attempt to use a stylesheet that is stored
in the db... but because authentication is on, you cannot access that
stylesheet until you have logged in. Once you login, you are forwarded
to the last page you tried (and failed) to access before
authentication, which by now is the stylesheet.

On my setup I circumvented this by modifying login.vm so that it no
loger tries to access the protected skin in the database (see this
thread: http://mail-archive.objectweb.org/xwiki-users/2005-12/msg00047.html
). I never get the issue anymore.

Regards,
Robin

On 07/03/06, Ken Weiner <[hidden email]> wrote:

> This has happened to me too.  It showed up when I accessed XWiki using
> a different domain name (I have more than one mapped to the machine).
> I don't know if that was the root cause though. The problem went away
> after restarting the XWiki app server.
>
> On 3/7/06, Esbach, Brandon <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > I get this all the time.  I suspect it is due to a changed login page -
> > as this does not seem to happen on initial installations, only on the
> > installations that we have modified the login page.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stephen [mailto:[hidden email]]
> > Sent: 07 March 2006 14:59
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: [xwiki-users] Strange log on behaviour
> >
> > I have an xwiki on the wiki farm.
> >
> > Users sometimes experience the following behaviour:
> >
> > (1) Go to site, see a log on screen
> > (2) Username and password entered - taken to an html style sheet (I
> > think)
> >     - this shows up as a new window in IE, takes over existing window in
> > Firefox
> > (3) Click back in case of Firefox, or close window for IE
> > (4) Taken to "normal" log-on screen
> >
> > see screen shots here:
> > http://www.thecolehouse.org.uk/screenshots.htm
> >
> > (trying to get screen shoot of css but all machines to hand have got
> > password remembered and so this behaviour is skipped)
> >
> > This is off-putting for non-catechise new users cause they log on and in
> > their eyes get a page of gobbledygook and then give up.
> >
> > Can anyone advise?
> >
> >
> > Thanks
>
>
>
>
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Re: Strange log on behaviour

jeremi joslin
On 3/8/06, Robin Fernandes <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> In my experience it happens when you set a non default skin and force
> authentication on all page views. If I understand correctly, the cause
> is that the login page will attempt to use a stylesheet that is stored
> in the db... but because authentication is on, you cannot access that
> stylesheet until you have logged in. Once you login, you are forwarded
> to the last page you tried (and failed) to access before
> authentication, which by now is the stylesheet.
>
> On my setup I circumvented this by modifying login.vm so that it no
> loger tries to access the protected skin in the database (see this
> thread: http://mail-archive.objectweb.org/xwiki-users/2005-12/msg00047.html
> ). I never get the issue anymore.
>
hi,
exactly. it's the problem. One other way to fix it is to add anonymous
view rights on  your skin.
Like this you can view the skin when you are not logged in.


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Re: Strange log on behaviour

kweiner
Would this be considered a bug?  Is it already in JIRA?  Or is it
working as expected and admins are expected to modify the view rights
of the skin?

On 3/7/06, jeremi joslin <[hidden email]> wrote:

> hi,
> exactly. it's the problem. One other way to fix it is to add anonymous
> view rights on  your skin.
> Like this you can view the skin when you are not logged in.
>
>
> Jérémi



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Re: Strange log on behaviour

jeremi joslin


On 3/8/06, Ken Weiner <[hidden email]> wrote:
Would this be considered a bug?  Is it already in JIRA?  Or is it
working as expected and admins are expected to modify the view rights
of the skin?
No, it's not.  it's working as expected because a wiki page with a skin object is a normal page. You have to change the right if you want to see it without beeing logged in.

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Re: Strange log on behaviour

Niyi Oyelade
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How do you change skin rights, or add anonymous view rights to the wiki skin? I am not sure of what needs altering in the rights.vm
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Re: Strange log on behaviour

jeremi joslin


On 3/8/06, Niyi Oyelade <[hidden email]> wrote:

How do you change skin rights, or add anonymous view rights to the wiki skin?
I am not sure of what needs altering in the rights.vm

Hi,
in your menu, under more actions, you have a button "Page access right".

here is an explanation of how rights are working :
http://www.xwiki.com/xwiki/bin/view/Doc/HowDoesRightsWork

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Re: Strange log on behaviour

kweiner
I read the explanation, but I can't figure out how to change page
access rights just for a skin.  If you go to "More Actions" > "Page
access rights", the rights will be applied to the page you were on
when you chose that option, right?  If you go to the skin page
(...xwiki/bin/skin/XWiki/MySkin/style.css) , then I just see the skin
and I won't have an option to select the "More Actions" menu for that
page.  I'm sure I've misunderstood what I'm supposed to do.  Thanks
for any help you can provide.

> Hi,
> in your menu, under more actions, you have a button "Page access right".
>
> here is an explanation of how rights are working :
> http://www.xwiki.com/xwiki/bin/view/Doc/HowDoesRightsWork
>
> Jérémi



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Re: Strange log on behaviour

jeremi joslin
On 3/9/06, Ken Weiner <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I read the explanation, but I can't figure out how to change page
> access rights just for a skin.  If you go to "More Actions" > "Page
> access rights", the rights will be applied to the page you were on
> when you chose that option, right?  If you go to the skin page
> (...xwiki/bin/skin/XWiki/MySkin/style.css) , then I just see the skin
> and I won't have an option to select the "More Actions" menu for that
> page.  I'm sure I've misunderstood what I'm supposed to do.  Thanks
> for any help you can provide.
Hi,
you have to go on xwiki/bin/skin/XWiki/MySkin . here you change your
rights. The attachments rights are the same as the document rights.

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Re: Strange log on behaviour

kweiner
When I try to bring up xwiki/bin/skin/XWiki/MySkin, it tries to
deliver a binary file to my browser and my browser asks if I want to
save the file.  Does this happen to anyone else?

On 3/8/06, jeremi joslin <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 3/9/06, Ken Weiner <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > I read the explanation, but I can't figure out how to change page
> > access rights just for a skin.  If you go to "More Actions" > "Page
> > access rights", the rights will be applied to the page you were on
> > when you chose that option, right?  If you go to the skin page
> > (...xwiki/bin/skin/XWiki/MySkin/style.css) , then I just see the skin
> > and I won't have an option to select the "More Actions" menu for that
> > page.  I'm sure I've misunderstood what I'm supposed to do.  Thanks
> > for any help you can provide.
> Hi,
> you have to go on xwiki/bin/skin/XWiki/MySkin . here you change your
> rights. The attachments rights are the same as the document rights.
>
> Jérémi


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Re: Strange log on behaviour

jeremi joslin
On 3/9/06, Ken Weiner <[hidden email]> wrote:
> When I try to bring up xwiki/bin/skin/XWiki/MySkin, it tries to
> deliver a binary file to my browser and my browser asks if I want to
> save the file.  Does this happen to anyone else?
>
Hi,
sorry, it's not xwiki/bin/skin/XWiki/MySkin but xwiki/bin/view/XWiki/MySkin.

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Re: Strange log on behaviour

Linda Coleman
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Yes, I get the same behavior & have been having the same problems. I have been lurking & following along hoping to find a solution. :)

Linda :)

Ken Weiner wrote:
When I try to bring up xwiki/bin/skin/XWiki/MySkin, it tries to
deliver a binary file to my browser and my browser asks if I want to
save the file.  Does this happen to anyone else?

On 3/8/06, jeremi joslin [hidden email] wrote:
  
On 3/9/06, Ken Weiner [hidden email] wrote:
    
I read the explanation, but I can't figure out how to change page
access rights just for a skin.  If you go to "More Actions" > "Page
access rights", the rights will be applied to the page you were on
when you chose that option, right?  If you go to the skin page
(...xwiki/bin/skin/XWiki/MySkin/style.css) , then I just see the skin
and I won't have an option to select the "More Actions" menu for that
page.  I'm sure I've misunderstood what I'm supposed to do.  Thanks
for any help you can provide.
      
Hi,
you have to go on xwiki/bin/skin/XWiki/MySkin . here you change your
rights. The attachments rights are the same as the document rights.

Jérémi
    

  

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Re: Strange log on behaviour

kweiner
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Jeremi,

Ok, I tried logging in as Admin, going to xwiki/bin/view/XWiki/MySkin,
editing the page access rights, and then adding two different access
rights:

Groups:
Access Levels: view
Users: XWiki.XWikiGuest
Allow/Deny: Allow

Groups: XWiki.XWikiAllGroup
Access Levels: view
Users:
Allow/Deny: Allow

I still get the same problem.  If I log out, refresh the page, then I
get the weird looking skinless login page.  Am I still doing something
wrong?

-Ken

On 3/8/06, jeremi joslin <[hidden email]> wrote:
> On 3/9/06, Ken Weiner <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > When I try to bring up xwiki/bin/skin/XWiki/MySkin, it tries to
> > deliver a binary file to my browser and my browser asks if I want to
> > save the file.  Does this happen to anyone else?
> >
> Hi,
> sorry, it's not xwiki/bin/skin/XWiki/MySkin but xwiki/bin/view/XWiki/MySkin.
>
> Jérémi



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Re: Strange log on behaviour

jeremi joslin
On 3/9/06, Ken Weiner <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Jeremi,
>
> Ok, I tried logging in as Admin, going to xwiki/bin/view/XWiki/MySkin,
> editing the page access rights, and then adding two different access
> rights:
>
> Groups:
> Access Levels: view
> Users: XWiki.XWikiGuest
> Allow/Deny: Allow
>
> Groups: XWiki.XWikiAllGroup
> Access Levels: view
> Users:
> Allow/Deny: Allow
>
> I still get the same problem.  If I log out, refresh the page, then I
> get the weird looking skinless login page.  Am I still doing something
> wrong?
>
here is what i use:
Groups: xwiki:XWiki.XWikiAllGroup, XWiki.XWikiAllGroup
Access Levels: view
Users: XWiki.XWikiGuest
Allow/Deny: Allow

have you tried to go directly to your skin page. you should see it
without beeing logged in. your css is attached to or in the skin
object?

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RE: Strange log on behaviour

Esbach, Brandon
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Same thing over here actually.

An observation - I don't seem to have a user in my user list called Xwiki.XWikGuest - can it be that this is a default name that is not created anymore?
Also, in my case I use my own skin and have applied the same permissions to both.

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Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] Strange log on behaviour

On 3/9/06, Ken Weiner <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Jeremi,
>
> Ok, I tried logging in as Admin, going to xwiki/bin/view/XWiki/MySkin,
> editing the page access rights, and then adding two different access
> rights:
>
> Groups:
> Access Levels: view
> Users: XWiki.XWikiGuest
> Allow/Deny: Allow
>
> Groups: XWiki.XWikiAllGroup
> Access Levels: view
> Users:
> Allow/Deny: Allow
>
> I still get the same problem.  If I log out, refresh the page, then I
> get the weird looking skinless login page.  Am I still doing something
> wrong?
>
here is what i use:
Groups: xwiki:XWiki.XWikiAllGroup, XWiki.XWikiAllGroup Access Levels: view
Users: XWiki.XWikiGuest
Allow/Deny: Allow

have you tried to go directly to your skin page. you should see it without beeing logged in. your css is attached to or in the skin object?

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Re: Strange log on behaviour

Niyi Oyelade
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This works perfectly ok now. But I wish to know a bit more about the
xwiki:XWiki.XWikiAllGroup, as it is different from the XWiki.XWikiAllGroup
(which contains all users)that I am used to.
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Re: Strange log on behaviour

Niyi Oyelade
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This works perfectly ok now. But I wish to know a bit more about the xwiki:XWiki.XWikiAllGroup, as it is different from the XWiki.XWikiAllGroup (which contains all users)that I am used to.
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Re: Strange log on behaviour

jeremi joslin
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On 3/9/06, Niyi Oyelade <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> This works perfectly ok now. But I wish to know a bit more about the
> xwiki:XWiki.XWikiAllGroup, as it is different from the XWiki.XWikiAllGroup
> (which contains all users)that I am used to.

xwiki:something is when you use a wiki farm like on xwiki.com.  It's
going to looking for the document on the main wiki (ie for the farm
www.xwiki.com).
if you don't use an XWiki farm, you can use XWiki.XWikiAllGroup it's the same.

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