[VOTE] Drop support for Internet Explorer 10/11 + Adding support for Edge

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[VOTE] Drop support for Internet Explorer 10/11 + Adding support for Edge

Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
Hi devs,

This mail is about:
A. Dropping support for IE10
B. Dropping support for IE11
C. Adding support for Microsoft Edge

---

If you read our Browser Support Strategy (
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy ) we
are still supporting Internet Explorer 10.

We started its support since Jun 17, 2015. In practice we don't perform
full tests on IE10, focusing mostly on IE11. The last performed tests for
IE10 where in Jan 2017, for XWiki 8.4.4 (
http://test.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/QA/XWiki%208.4.4#|t=qa&p=1&l=15&s=test&d=asc&browser=10
).

On another note, Microsoft Edge replaced Internet Explorer as the default
web browser since the release of Windows 10 (launched Jul 2015). Internet
Explorer 11 is maintained on Windows 10 for compatibility purposes, but is
deprecated in favor of Edge and is no longer actively developed.

Instead of supporting "Internet Explorer 10.x-Latest" + "We support IE
browsers, starting with version 10." we actually should say (in case the
vote is passing) "Internet Explorer 11 + Microsoft Edge".

We might even considered dropping support for IE 11 and just keep Microsoft
Edge, since that's the latest version of Windows supported browser.
Although, IE11 currently still has a better usage than Microsoft Edge. I
could not found any performed tests for Microsoft Edge on our test wiki.

---

In terms of xwiki.org website usage for the past 12 months, we have:
- 5.46% sessions for Internet Explorer
-- IE11: 91.50%
-- IE10: 2.80%
- 1.43% sessions for Edge (multiple versions)

In terms of worldwide market share for the past 12 months (according to
http://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/ ), for desktops, we
have:
- 8.21% IE
- 4.3% Edge

Usage example for August 2017:
- 7.1% for IE11
- 2.26% for Edge 15
- 1.37% for Edge 14
- 0.2% for Edge 13

---

So my votes are:
A. Dropping support for IE10
+1

B. Dropping support for IE11
-0, because of bigger usage compared to Microsoft Edge. Still, I don't
think we have the man-power to support tests on both browsers types.

C. Adding support for Microsoft Edge
+1, because this is the latest supported browser for Windows

Thanks,
Caty
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Re: [VOTE] Drop support for Internet Explorer 10/11 + Adding support for Edge

Thomas Mortagne
Administrator
On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi devs,
>
> This mail is about:
> A. Dropping support for IE10
> B. Dropping support for IE11
> C. Adding support for Microsoft Edge
>
> ---
>
> If you read our Browser Support Strategy (
> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy ) we
> are still supporting Internet Explorer 10.
>
> We started its support since Jun 17, 2015. In practice we don't perform
> full tests on IE10, focusing mostly on IE11. The last performed tests for
> IE10 where in Jan 2017, for XWiki 8.4.4 (
> http://test.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/QA/XWiki%208.4.4#|t=qa&p=1&l=15&s=test&d=asc&browser=10
> ).
>
> On another note, Microsoft Edge replaced Internet Explorer as the default
> web browser since the release of Windows 10 (launched Jul 2015). Internet
> Explorer 11 is maintained on Windows 10 for compatibility purposes, but is
> deprecated in favor of Edge and is no longer actively developed.
>
> Instead of supporting "Internet Explorer 10.x-Latest" + "We support IE
> browsers, starting with version 10." we actually should say (in case the
> vote is passing) "Internet Explorer 11 + Microsoft Edge".
>
> We might even considered dropping support for IE 11 and just keep Microsoft
> Edge, since that's the latest version of Windows supported browser.
> Although, IE11 currently still has a better usage than Microsoft Edge. I
> could not found any performed tests for Microsoft Edge on our test wiki.
>
> ---
>
> In terms of xwiki.org website usage for the past 12 months, we have:
> - 5.46% sessions for Internet Explorer
> -- IE11: 91.50%
> -- IE10: 2.80%
> - 1.43% sessions for Edge (multiple versions)
>
> In terms of worldwide market share for the past 12 months (according to
> http://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/ ), for desktops, we
> have:
> - 8.21% IE
> - 4.3% Edge
>
> Usage example for August 2017:
> - 7.1% for IE11
> - 2.26% for Edge 15
> - 1.37% for Edge 14
> - 0.2% for Edge 13
>
> ---
>
> So my votes are:
> A. Dropping support for IE10
> +1
>
> B. Dropping support for IE11
> -0, because of bigger usage compared to Microsoft Edge. Still, I don't
> think we have the man-power to support tests on both browsers types.
>
> C. Adding support for Microsoft Edge
> +1, because this is the latest supported browser for Windows
>
> Thanks,
> Caty

A. +0

B. -1 would not make sense given its market share compared to Edge

C. +1 since supporting the current default browser on Windows is the
least we can do

--
Thomas Mortagne
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Re: [VOTE] Drop support for Internet Explorer 10/11 + Adding support for Edge

Marius Dumitru Florea
Same as Thomas.

Thanks,
Marius

On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Thomas Mortagne <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Hi devs,
> >
> > This mail is about:
> > A. Dropping support for IE10
> > B. Dropping support for IE11
> > C. Adding support for Microsoft Edge
> >
> > ---
> >
> > If you read our Browser Support Strategy (
> > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy )
> we
> > are still supporting Internet Explorer 10.
> >
> > We started its support since Jun 17, 2015. In practice we don't perform
> > full tests on IE10, focusing mostly on IE11. The last performed tests for
> > IE10 where in Jan 2017, for XWiki 8.4.4 (
> > http://test.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/QA/XWiki%208.4.4#|t=
> qa&p=1&l=15&s=test&d=asc&browser=10
> > ).
> >
> > On another note, Microsoft Edge replaced Internet Explorer as the default
> > web browser since the release of Windows 10 (launched Jul 2015). Internet
> > Explorer 11 is maintained on Windows 10 for compatibility purposes, but
> is
> > deprecated in favor of Edge and is no longer actively developed.
> >
> > Instead of supporting "Internet Explorer 10.x-Latest" + "We support IE
> > browsers, starting with version 10." we actually should say (in case the
> > vote is passing) "Internet Explorer 11 + Microsoft Edge".
> >
> > We might even considered dropping support for IE 11 and just keep
> Microsoft
> > Edge, since that's the latest version of Windows supported browser.
> > Although, IE11 currently still has a better usage than Microsoft Edge. I
> > could not found any performed tests for Microsoft Edge on our test wiki.
> >
> > ---
> >
> > In terms of xwiki.org website usage for the past 12 months, we have:
> > - 5.46% sessions for Internet Explorer
> > -- IE11: 91.50%
> > -- IE10: 2.80%
> > - 1.43% sessions for Edge (multiple versions)
> >
> > In terms of worldwide market share for the past 12 months (according to
> > http://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/ ), for
> desktops, we
> > have:
> > - 8.21% IE
> > - 4.3% Edge
> >
> > Usage example for August 2017:
> > - 7.1% for IE11
> > - 2.26% for Edge 15
> > - 1.37% for Edge 14
> > - 0.2% for Edge 13
> >
> > ---
> >
> > So my votes are:
> > A. Dropping support for IE10
> > +1
> >
> > B. Dropping support for IE11
> > -0, because of bigger usage compared to Microsoft Edge. Still, I don't
> > think we have the man-power to support tests on both browsers types.
> >
> > C. Adding support for Microsoft Edge
> > +1, because this is the latest supported browser for Windows
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Caty
>
> A. +0
>
> B. -1 would not make sense given its market share compared to Edge
>
> C. +1 since supporting the current default browser on Windows is the
> least we can do
>
> --
> Thomas Mortagne
>
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Re: [VOTE] Drop support for Internet Explorer 10/11 + Adding support for Edge

vmassol
Administrator
In reply to this post by Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
Hi Caty,

> On 6 Oct 2017, at 16:55, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi devs,
>
> This mail is about:
> A. Dropping support for IE10
> B. Dropping support for IE11
> C. Adding support for Microsoft Edge
>
> ---
>
> If you read our Browser Support Strategy (
> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy ) we
> are still supporting Internet Explorer 10.
>
> We started its support since Jun 17, 2015. In practice we don't perform
> full tests on IE10, focusing mostly on IE11. The last performed tests for
> IE10 where in Jan 2017, for XWiki 8.4.4 (
> http://test.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/QA/XWiki%208.4.4#|t=qa&p=1&l=15&s=test&d=asc&browser=10
> ).
>
> On another note, Microsoft Edge replaced Internet Explorer as the default
> web browser since the release of Windows 10 (launched Jul 2015). Internet
> Explorer 11 is maintained on Windows 10 for compatibility purposes, but is
> deprecated in favor of Edge and is no longer actively developed.
>
> Instead of supporting "Internet Explorer 10.x-Latest" + "We support IE
> browsers, starting with version 10." we actually should say (in case the
> vote is passing) "Internet Explorer 11 + Microsoft Edge".
>
> We might even considered dropping support for IE 11 and just keep Microsoft
> Edge, since that's the latest version of Windows supported browser.
> Although, IE11 currently still has a better usage than Microsoft Edge. I
> could not found any performed tests for Microsoft Edge on our test wiki.
>
> ---
>
> In terms of xwiki.org website usage for the past 12 months, we have:
> - 5.46% sessions for Internet Explorer
> -- IE11: 91.50%
> -- IE10: 2.80%
> - 1.43% sessions for Edge (multiple versions)
>
> In terms of worldwide market share for the past 12 months (according to
> http://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/ ), for desktops, we
> have:
> - 8.21% IE
> - 4.3% Edge
>
> Usage example for August 2017:
> - 7.1% for IE11
> - 2.26% for Edge 15
> - 1.37% for Edge 14
> - 0.2% for Edge 13
>
> ---
>
> So my votes are:
> A. Dropping support for IE10
> +1
>
> B. Dropping support for IE11
> -0, because of bigger usage compared to Microsoft Edge. Still, I don't
> think we have the man-power to support tests on both browsers types.
>
> C. Adding support for Microsoft Edge
> +1, because this is the latest supported browser for Windows

We  also have limited manpower and we need to limit the # of versions we support.  However because of the large marketshare of IE11it wouldn’t be good to drop its support FTM IMO.

So I think we should try to support both Edge + IE11 and see how complex it is. If too complex we can think of dropping IE11 or delaying support for Edge.

So, I’m:

A +1
B -1 for now
C +1

Thanks
-Vincent

>
> Thanks,
> Caty

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Re: [VOTE] Drop support for Internet Explorer 10/11 + Adding support for Edge

Sergiu Dumitriu-3
Same as Vincent.

On 10/09/2017 07:52 AM, Vincent Massol wrote:

> Hi Caty,
>
>> On 6 Oct 2017, at 16:55, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi devs,
>>
>> This mail is about:
>> A. Dropping support for IE10
>> B. Dropping support for IE11
>> C. Adding support for Microsoft Edge
>>
>> ---
>>
>> If you read our Browser Support Strategy (
>> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy ) we
>> are still supporting Internet Explorer 10.
>>
>> We started its support since Jun 17, 2015. In practice we don't perform
>> full tests on IE10, focusing mostly on IE11. The last performed tests for
>> IE10 where in Jan 2017, for XWiki 8.4.4 (
>> http://test.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/QA/XWiki%208.4.4#|t=qa&p=1&l=15&s=test&d=asc&browser=10
>> ).
>>
>> On another note, Microsoft Edge replaced Internet Explorer as the default
>> web browser since the release of Windows 10 (launched Jul 2015). Internet
>> Explorer 11 is maintained on Windows 10 for compatibility purposes, but is
>> deprecated in favor of Edge and is no longer actively developed.
>>
>> Instead of supporting "Internet Explorer 10.x-Latest" + "We support IE
>> browsers, starting with version 10." we actually should say (in case the
>> vote is passing) "Internet Explorer 11 + Microsoft Edge".
>>
>> We might even considered dropping support for IE 11 and just keep Microsoft
>> Edge, since that's the latest version of Windows supported browser.
>> Although, IE11 currently still has a better usage than Microsoft Edge. I
>> could not found any performed tests for Microsoft Edge on our test wiki.
>>
>> ---
>>
>> In terms of xwiki.org website usage for the past 12 months, we have:
>> - 5.46% sessions for Internet Explorer
>> -- IE11: 91.50%
>> -- IE10: 2.80%
>> - 1.43% sessions for Edge (multiple versions)
>>
>> In terms of worldwide market share for the past 12 months (according to
>> http://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/ ), for desktops, we
>> have:
>> - 8.21% IE
>> - 4.3% Edge
>>
>> Usage example for August 2017:
>> - 7.1% for IE11
>> - 2.26% for Edge 15
>> - 1.37% for Edge 14
>> - 0.2% for Edge 13
>>
>> ---
>>
>> So my votes are:
>> A. Dropping support for IE10
>> +1
>>
>> B. Dropping support for IE11
>> -0, because of bigger usage compared to Microsoft Edge. Still, I don't
>> think we have the man-power to support tests on both browsers types.
>>
>> C. Adding support for Microsoft Edge
>> +1, because this is the latest supported browser for Windows
>
> We  also have limited manpower and we need to limit the # of versions we support.  However because of the large marketshare of IE11it wouldn’t be good to drop its support FTM IMO.
>
> So I think we should try to support both Edge + IE11 and see how complex it is. If too complex we can think of dropping IE11 or delaying support for Edge.
>
> So, I’m:
>
> A +1
> B -1 for now
> C +1
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Caty
>


--
Sergiu Dumitriu
http://purl.org/net/sergiu/
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Re: [VOTE] Drop support for Internet Explorer 10/11 + Adding support for Edge

Manuel Smeria-2
Hello all,

Here are my votes:

A. +1
B. -1
C. +1

Thanks,
Manuel

On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 5:39 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Same as Vincent.
>
> On 10/09/2017 07:52 AM, Vincent Massol wrote:
> > Hi Caty,
> >
> >> On 6 Oct 2017, at 16:55, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi devs,
> >>
> >> This mail is about:
> >> A. Dropping support for IE10
> >> B. Dropping support for IE11
> >> C. Adding support for Microsoft Edge
> >>
> >> ---
> >>
> >> If you read our Browser Support Strategy (
> >> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy )
> we
> >> are still supporting Internet Explorer 10.
> >>
> >> We started its support since Jun 17, 2015. In practice we don't perform
> >> full tests on IE10, focusing mostly on IE11. The last performed tests
> for
> >> IE10 where in Jan 2017, for XWiki 8.4.4 (
> >> http://test.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/QA/XWiki%208.4.4#|t=
> qa&p=1&l=15&s=test&d=asc&browser=10
> >> ).
> >>
> >> On another note, Microsoft Edge replaced Internet Explorer as the
> default
> >> web browser since the release of Windows 10 (launched Jul 2015).
> Internet
> >> Explorer 11 is maintained on Windows 10 for compatibility purposes, but
> is
> >> deprecated in favor of Edge and is no longer actively developed.
> >>
> >> Instead of supporting "Internet Explorer 10.x-Latest" + "We support IE
> >> browsers, starting with version 10." we actually should say (in case the
> >> vote is passing) "Internet Explorer 11 + Microsoft Edge".
> >>
> >> We might even considered dropping support for IE 11 and just keep
> Microsoft
> >> Edge, since that's the latest version of Windows supported browser.
> >> Although, IE11 currently still has a better usage than Microsoft Edge. I
> >> could not found any performed tests for Microsoft Edge on our test wiki.
> >>
> >> ---
> >>
> >> In terms of xwiki.org website usage for the past 12 months, we have:
> >> - 5.46% sessions for Internet Explorer
> >> -- IE11: 91.50%
> >> -- IE10: 2.80%
> >> - 1.43% sessions for Edge (multiple versions)
> >>
> >> In terms of worldwide market share for the past 12 months (according to
> >> http://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/ ), for
> desktops, we
> >> have:
> >> - 8.21% IE
> >> - 4.3% Edge
> >>
> >> Usage example for August 2017:
> >> - 7.1% for IE11
> >> - 2.26% for Edge 15
> >> - 1.37% for Edge 14
> >> - 0.2% for Edge 13
> >>
> >> ---
> >>
> >> So my votes are:
> >> A. Dropping support for IE10
> >> +1
> >>
> >> B. Dropping support for IE11
> >> -0, because of bigger usage compared to Microsoft Edge. Still, I don't
> >> think we have the man-power to support tests on both browsers types.
> >>
> >> C. Adding support for Microsoft Edge
> >> +1, because this is the latest supported browser for Windows
> >
> > We  also have limited manpower and we need to limit the # of versions we
> support.  However because of the large marketshare of IE11it wouldn’t be
> good to drop its support FTM IMO.
> >
> > So I think we should try to support both Edge + IE11 and see how complex
> it is. If too complex we can think of dropping IE11 or delaying support for
> Edge.
> >
> > So, I’m:
> >
> > A +1
> > B -1 for now
> > C +1
> >
> > Thanks
> > -Vincent
> >
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Caty
> >
>
>
> --
> Sergiu Dumitriu
> http://purl.org/net/sergiu/
>
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Re: [VOTE] Drop support for Internet Explorer 10/11 + Adding support for Edge

Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
Thanks everyone for your responses.

We have:
A. +1, +0, +0, +1, +1, +1 = 4 x (+1)
B. -0, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1 = 5 x (-1)
C. +1, +1, +1, +1, +1, +1 =  6 x (+1)

So we will:
A. Drop the support for IE10
B. Keep the support for IE11
C. Add the support for Microsoft Edge

I will update the Support page.

Thanks for your votes,
Caty



On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Manuel Smeria <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Here are my votes:
>
> A. +1
> B. -1
> C. +1
>
> Thanks,
> Manuel
>
> On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 5:39 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Same as Vincent.
> >
> > On 10/09/2017 07:52 AM, Vincent Massol wrote:
> > > Hi Caty,
> > >
> > >> On 6 Oct 2017, at 16:55, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[hidden email]
> >
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hi devs,
> > >>
> > >> This mail is about:
> > >> A. Dropping support for IE10
> > >> B. Dropping support for IE11
> > >> C. Adding support for Microsoft Edge
> > >>
> > >> ---
> > >>
> > >> If you read our Browser Support Strategy (
> > >> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy
> )
> > we
> > >> are still supporting Internet Explorer 10.
> > >>
> > >> We started its support since Jun 17, 2015. In practice we don't
> perform
> > >> full tests on IE10, focusing mostly on IE11. The last performed tests
> > for
> > >> IE10 where in Jan 2017, for XWiki 8.4.4 (
> > >> http://test.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/QA/XWiki%208.4.4#|t=
> > qa&p=1&l=15&s=test&d=asc&browser=10
> > >> ).
> > >>
> > >> On another note, Microsoft Edge replaced Internet Explorer as the
> > default
> > >> web browser since the release of Windows 10 (launched Jul 2015).
> > Internet
> > >> Explorer 11 is maintained on Windows 10 for compatibility purposes,
> but
> > is
> > >> deprecated in favor of Edge and is no longer actively developed.
> > >>
> > >> Instead of supporting "Internet Explorer 10.x-Latest" + "We support IE
> > >> browsers, starting with version 10." we actually should say (in case
> the
> > >> vote is passing) "Internet Explorer 11 + Microsoft Edge".
> > >>
> > >> We might even considered dropping support for IE 11 and just keep
> > Microsoft
> > >> Edge, since that's the latest version of Windows supported browser.
> > >> Although, IE11 currently still has a better usage than Microsoft
> Edge. I
> > >> could not found any performed tests for Microsoft Edge on our test
> wiki.
> > >>
> > >> ---
> > >>
> > >> In terms of xwiki.org website usage for the past 12 months, we have:
> > >> - 5.46% sessions for Internet Explorer
> > >> -- IE11: 91.50%
> > >> -- IE10: 2.80%
> > >> - 1.43% sessions for Edge (multiple versions)
> > >>
> > >> In terms of worldwide market share for the past 12 months (according
> to
> > >> http://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/ ), for
> > desktops, we
> > >> have:
> > >> - 8.21% IE
> > >> - 4.3% Edge
> > >>
> > >> Usage example for August 2017:
> > >> - 7.1% for IE11
> > >> - 2.26% for Edge 15
> > >> - 1.37% for Edge 14
> > >> - 0.2% for Edge 13
> > >>
> > >> ---
> > >>
> > >> So my votes are:
> > >> A. Dropping support for IE10
> > >> +1
> > >>
> > >> B. Dropping support for IE11
> > >> -0, because of bigger usage compared to Microsoft Edge. Still, I don't
> > >> think we have the man-power to support tests on both browsers types.
> > >>
> > >> C. Adding support for Microsoft Edge
> > >> +1, because this is the latest supported browser for Windows
> > >
> > > We  also have limited manpower and we need to limit the # of versions
> we
> > support.  However because of the large marketshare of IE11it wouldn’t be
> > good to drop its support FTM IMO.
> > >
> > > So I think we should try to support both Edge + IE11 and see how
> complex
> > it is. If too complex we can think of dropping IE11 or delaying support
> for
> > Edge.
> > >
> > > So, I’m:
> > >
> > > A +1
> > > B -1 for now
> > > C +1
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > -Vincent
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Caty
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sergiu Dumitriu
> > http://purl.org/net/sergiu/
> >
>